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Orchestral cuts because of diversity

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  • CopperC Offline
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    Copper
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    Idiots

    I can't imagine that there is even one person in the whole world that thinks this is a good idea.

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    • George KG George K

      Oh, I assume this is the end of "blind" auditions?

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      Loki
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      @george-k said in Orchestral cuts because of diversity:

      Oh, I assume this is the end of "blind" auditions?

      Well, put that way…

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      • LuFins DadL Offline
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        LuFins Dad
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        Interesting question… A white blind musician vs a POC… Who gets the gig?

        The Brad

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        • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

          Interesting question… A white blind musician vs a POC… Who gets the gig?

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          Horace
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          @lufins-dad said in Orchestral cuts because of diversity:

          Interesting question… A white blind musician vs a POC… Who gets the gig?

          A white male from Appalachia vs an Obama daughter - who does our culture consider to be more oppressed?

          Education is extremely important.

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            When was the last time you went to see a live opera performance?

            Was “diversity” among the orchestral musicians ever a factor in your decision to go see an opera?

            Perhaps the Arts Council should write diversity among the composers into its funding guidelines? Then the operas will have to scramble to find operatic works composed by non-Caucasians.

            Quick, can you think of any operatic work composed by a non-Caucasian?

            :::

            I can, but I have to dig into “Peking operas”, where all the composers and musicians playing them are also very “non diverse.”

            :::

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            • kluursK Offline
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              Scott Joplin's Treemonisha

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                @kluurs said in Orchestral cuts because of diversity:

                Treemonisha

                And it’s freely available on YouTube!

                Link to video

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                • LuFins DadL Offline
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                  Guess this means they will be dropping the English Horn and French Horn from the group?

                  The Brad

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                  • George KG Offline
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                    You thought it couldn't get crazier?

                    Wrong!

                    One such example has been the attack on the “blind audition” process. In blind auditions, orchestras evaluate prospective players by listening to them behind a screen, allowing the judges to select musicians without respect to race, gender, or other nonmusical characteristics. Recently, this audition innovation — which was widely credited with reducing gender bias in orchestra hiring — has come under attack at some of the nation’s top orchestras, on the grounds that it has resulted in the hiring of too few non-Asian musicians of color.

                    Equally dangerous — and less discussed — is mounting discrimination in the employment of artistic leaders. This is occurring not just during candidate selection but as early as the job-posting phase. It is evident in most conducting postings, particularly for assistant-conductor positions (i.e., the first leg up the ladder for young conductors), which now contain some variation of the phrase: “Members of underrepresented groups in classical music, particularly members of [racial group x, y, z], are encouraged to apply.”

                    Perhaps the most egregious example yet comes in the Buffalo Philharmonic Orchestra’s (BPO) recently announced posting for a “Conductor Diversity Fellow,” a position whose responsibilities — if one reads the job description carefully — are virtually identical to those of an assistant conductor in peer orchestras, but for one key difference: that the posting explicitly solicits applications only from those who “self-identify as members of historically underrepresented groups in American orchestras, including but not limited to African-American, Hispanic, Native American, Alaska Native, Native Hawaiian, or Pacific Islander descent.”

                    Two major races are conspicuously left off that list of “underrepresented groups,” and the subtext is clear: No whites or Asians need apply.

                    The BPO’s posting is one of the most brazen attempts by an American orchestra to expunge classical music’s history of racism by using the tool of racism. It also might be the first to clearly contravene federal equal-employment-opportunity rules, which state that no job posting can discourage an applicant to apply because of his or her race. But without any apparent backlash forthcoming from orchestra members, board members, or audiences, this is unlikely to be the last.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • CopperC Offline
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                      Please, let's start doing this in the NBA.

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                      • CopperC Copper

                        Please, let's start doing this in the NBA.

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                        George K
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                        @copper said in Orchestral cuts because of diversity:

                        Please, let's start doing this in the NBA.

                        Well, that's just racist.

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          Meritocracy is a tool of whiteness and will be a relic in the new future we are writing.

                          The Brad

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