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A puzzle within reach of all

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  • KlausK Online
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    Also, what is the smallest odd number that cannot be described in formal English with less than twenty words?

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      PUZZLE TIME: First Odd Number

      What is the first odd number in the dictionary?

      More specifically, suppose that every whole number from 1 to, say, 10^10 is written out in formal English (e.g., "two hundred eleven," "one thousand, one hundred forty-two") and then listed in dictionary order, that is, alphabetical order with spaces and punctuation ignored. What's the first odd number in the list?

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        Eighteen Hundred and One or 1801?

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          Eighteen Hundred and One or 1801?

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          @lufins-dad said in A puzzle within reach of all:

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          Eighteen Hundred and One or 1801?

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          Eighteen billion comes before eighteen hundred

          Only non-witches get due process.

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            Sixteen nineteen is first, in importance. Which is odd, since American systemic white supremacist culture has always emphasized 1776 instead.

            Education is extremely important.

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              Sixteen nineteen is first, in importance. Which is odd, since American systemic white supremacist culture has always emphasized 1776 instead.

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              @horace said in A puzzle within reach of all:

              Sixteen nineteen is first, in importance. Which is odd, since American systemic white supremacist culture has always emphasized 1776 instead.

              WDS?

              Only non-witches get due process.

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                Eight billion eight hundred eighty five ?
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                  Eight billion eight hundred eighty five ?
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                  @klaus said in A puzzle within reach of all:

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                  Eight billion eight hundred eighty five ?
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                  Also ironically the year AD in which jon will post answers to his puzzle threads.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                    Gazillion eighty eight…. LOL

                    Is it Centillion and odd change?

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                      aaaaaa-one and a two and a one two three

                      Education is extremely important.

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                        SOLUTION: In dictionary order, one word precedes another precisely when the first letter in which the two words differ is, in the first word, earlier in the alphabet. Spaces and punctuation are ignored, and if there is no differing letter, the shorter word appears first.

                        So, finding the dictionary-first word in a set of words is just a matter of carefully and systematically considering the successive words involved in the description of a number.

                        The earliest digit is "eight," and the earliest odd digit is "five." We don't need to consider any other digits, but other possibly useful words that appear in numbers include "billion," "eighteen," "eighty," "hundred," "million," and "thousand." Our earliest odd number must begin with a digit, so it should start with "eight billion." After that, "eighteen" is the best we can do, and proceeding along these lines, we eventually get the answer 8,018,018,885: "eight billion, eighteen million, eighteen thousand, eight hundred eighty-five."

                        A little more work will get you to the first prime number in the dictionary, 8,018,018,851.

                        Annoyingly, "dictionary order" is (according to Wikipedia) subtly different from "alphabetical order," and the difference makes a difference. The issue is that, in alphabetical order, which is used with people's names, spaces typically are not ignored, but instead precede all other characters. Thus, alphabetically, "eight hundred" precedes "eighteen," and the first odd number in alphabetical order becomes 8,808,808,885. The first prime would in that case be the very next odd number in alphabetical order, namely, 8,808,808,889.

                        Only non-witches get due process.

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