Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees
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I guess I’ll keep responding but in the circles I am involved with it is no longer a topic of conversation. I think mostly because the way forward is considered settled. It’s been long enough actually.
wrote on 10 Sept 2021, 13:25 last edited by@loki said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
I guess I’ll keep responding but in the circles I am involved with it is no longer a topic of conversation. I think mostly because the way forward is considered settled. It’s been long enough actually.
The Resident just made it a huge topic of conversation.
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@george-k said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
@loki said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
I guess I’ll keep responding but in the circles I am involved with it is no longer a topic of conversation. I think mostly because the way forward is considered settled. It’s been long enough actually.
You seem to think that I'm against vaccinations. Rest assured, I am not. In my circles, it's not a subject to discuss either.
My point was simply that the fact that Biden is doing this, by fiat, is probably illegal. It might be right, but I'd really like to see the law on this.
I don’t think you are against vaccinations. I also am not sure what the law is but I don’t the comparison is with Ukraine (just another snarky lazy smart ass what you get from people these days). I think the way to look at it is comparing to public health crises in the past.
wrote on 10 Sept 2021, 13:26 last edited by@loki said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
I think the way to look at it is comparing to public health crises in the past.
Such as what? Polio, AIDS, Ebola? What were the federal government mandates during that crisis, or any other of your choosing?
An aside, what, exactly, are the plans for implementing this? Are we going to need a(nother) federal agency to monitor, record, and punish those who don't comply?
Words are cheap, enacting them is hard.
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Another thing.
(disclaimer, I'm NOT anti-vaccine)
By what authority does he mandate employers to implement this policy. This mandate will spend months and months in court.
wrote on 10 Sept 2021, 13:31 last edited by@george-k said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
This mandate will spend months and months in court.
Lots of government proposals languish somewhere, even if or before they make it to court. It's just that most of them's sponsors aren't press superstars. Often the proposal isn't for the sake of whatever cause is being supported, but to collect attaboys from the folks back home. Or the party. Or the moneybags people.
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@george-k said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
This mandate will spend months and months in court.
Lots of government proposals languish somewhere, even if or before they make it to court. It's just that most of them's sponsors aren't press superstars. Often the proposal isn't for the sake of whatever cause is being supported, but to collect attaboys from the folks back home. Or the party. Or the moneybags people.
wrote on 10 Sept 2021, 13:35 last edited by@catseye3 said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
@george-k said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
This mandate will spend months and months in court.
Lots of government proposals languish somewhere, even if or before they make it to court. It's just that most of them's sponsors aren't press superstars. Often the proposal isn't for the sake of whatever cause is being supported, but to collect attaboys from the folks back home. Or the party. Or the moneybags people.
I think the question is whether this gets Fast-tracked to SCOTUS.
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wrote on 10 Sept 2021, 13:39 last edited by
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wrote on 10 Sept 2021, 13:41 last edited by
I will check back in this thread in a week to see if any predictions are right. Kind of reminds me of how the media handled Trump and the winning ticket was to predict whether their story had legs a week later and you could generally say no and be a big winner.
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wrote on 10 Sept 2021, 13:43 last edited by
@jolly said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
Now that’s very funny but not for the reasons you think.
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wrote on 10 Sept 2021, 13:45 last edited by
Shifting from carrot to stick...
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@loki said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
I think the way to look at it is comparing to public health crises in the past.
Such as what? Polio, AIDS, Ebola? What were the federal government mandates during that crisis, or any other of your choosing?
An aside, what, exactly, are the plans for implementing this? Are we going to need a(nother) federal agency to monitor, record, and punish those who don't comply?
Words are cheap, enacting them is hard.
wrote on 10 Sept 2021, 13:47 last edited by@george-k said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
@loki said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
I think the way to look at it is comparing to public health crises in the past.
Such as what? Polio, AIDS, Ebola? What were the federal government mandates during that crisis, or any other of your choosing?
An aside, what, exactly, are the plans for implementing this? Are we going to need a(nother) federal agency to monitor, record, and punish those who don't comply?
Words are cheap, enacting them is hard.
Exactly.
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I will check back in this thread in a week to see if any predictions are right. Kind of reminds me of how the media handled Trump and the winning ticket was to predict whether their story had legs a week later and you could generally say no and be a big winner.
wrote on 10 Sept 2021, 13:50 last edited by@loki said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
Kind of reminds me of how the media handled Trump and the winning ticket was to predict whether their story had legs a week later and you could generally say no and be a big winner.
Along with 90% of the rest of them.
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@loki said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
I think the way to look at it is comparing to public health crises in the past.
Such as what? Polio, AIDS, Ebola? What were the federal government mandates during that crisis, or any other of your choosing?
An aside, what, exactly, are the plans for implementing this? Are we going to need a(nother) federal agency to monitor, record, and punish those who don't comply?
Words are cheap, enacting them is hard.
wrote on 10 Sept 2021, 14:01 last edited by@george-k said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
@loki said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
I think the way to look at it is comparing to public health crises in the past.
Such as what? Polio, AIDS, Ebola? What were the federal government mandates during that crisis, or any other of your choosing?
An aside, what, exactly, are the plans for implementing this? Are we going to need a(nother) federal agency to monitor, record, and punish those who don't comply?
Words are cheap, enacting them is hard.
You know there are big issues going on. A segment of people can’t even prioritize our public health and our economy and want to make this the burning platform. Mark this as another reason why America is not what it used to be. Small ball.
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wrote on 10 Sept 2021, 14:03 last edited by
I just bowed out of anther conversation where the shouts of 'tyranny! tyranny!' became overwhelming. It's not tyranny. It's overstepping authority, which is nothing new in America.
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I just bowed out of anther conversation where the shouts of 'tyranny! tyranny!' became overwhelming. It's not tyranny. It's overstepping authority, which is nothing new in America.
wrote on 10 Sept 2021, 14:22 last edited by@mik said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
I just bowed out of anther conversation where the shouts of 'tyranny! tyranny!' became overwhelming. It's not tyranny. It's overstepping authority, which is nothing new in America.
The main issue that worries me nowadays is how much influence complete idiots have in public debates. That's what's changed in the last 20 years. In the past, people had to actually do something to get heard. Now they just log on and started spouting shit.
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@george-k said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
@loki said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
I think the way to look at it is comparing to public health crises in the past.
Such as what? Polio, AIDS, Ebola? What were the federal government mandates during that crisis, or any other of your choosing?
An aside, what, exactly, are the plans for implementing this? Are we going to need a(nother) federal agency to monitor, record, and punish those who don't comply?
Words are cheap, enacting them is hard.
You know there are big issues going on. A segment of people can’t even prioritize our public health and our economy and want to make this the burning platform. Mark this as another reason why America is not what it used to be. Small ball.
wrote on 10 Sept 2021, 14:23 last edited by@loki said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
@george-k said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
@loki said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
I think the way to look at it is comparing to public health crises in the past.
Such as what? Polio, AIDS, Ebola? What were the federal government mandates during that crisis, or any other of your choosing?
An aside, what, exactly, are the plans for implementing this? Are we going to need a(nother) federal agency to monitor, record, and punish those who don't comply?
Words are cheap, enacting them is hard.
You know there are big issues going on. A segment of people can’t even prioritize our public health and our economy and want to make this the burning platform. Mark this as another reason why America is not what it used to be. Small ball.
You know, the bigger the issue, the more important it is to hold true to your principles.
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I will check back in this thread in a week to see if any predictions are right. Kind of reminds me of how the media handled Trump and the winning ticket was to predict whether their story had legs a week later and you could generally say no and be a big winner.
wrote on 10 Sept 2021, 14:24 last edited by@loki said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
I will check back in this thread in a week to see if any predictions are right.
Which predictions are you going to check? In all fairness, you tend to see predictions where none exist. Can you be clear about the predictions you see in this thread which will be proven true or false in a week?
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@loki said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
@george-k said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
@loki said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
I think the way to look at it is comparing to public health crises in the past.
Such as what? Polio, AIDS, Ebola? What were the federal government mandates during that crisis, or any other of your choosing?
An aside, what, exactly, are the plans for implementing this? Are we going to need a(nother) federal agency to monitor, record, and punish those who don't comply?
Words are cheap, enacting them is hard.
You know there are big issues going on. A segment of people can’t even prioritize our public health and our economy and want to make this the burning platform. Mark this as another reason why America is not what it used to be. Small ball.
You know, the bigger the issue, the more important it is to hold true to your principles.
wrote on 10 Sept 2021, 14:26 last edited by@lufins-dad said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
You know, the bigger the issue, the more important it is to hold true to your principles.
I got vaccinated. My family all got vaccinated.
It strikes me that if people spent less time going on about their fucking principles and just got vaccinated, we'd all be a lot better off.
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wrote on 10 Sept 2021, 14:32 last edited by
Turns out, all that nonsensical TDS that infected the culture over the past four years, solidified some resentments and now, if you're going to look those people in the eye and try to shame them into doing something they don't really feel like doing, based on the principle that now it's YOUR life at stake, you'll be given the middle finger. This is life. Or death. It's all on the table.
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@george-k said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
@loki said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
I think the way to look at it is comparing to public health crises in the past.
Such as what? Polio, AIDS, Ebola? What were the federal government mandates during that crisis, or any other of your choosing?
An aside, what, exactly, are the plans for implementing this? Are we going to need a(nother) federal agency to monitor, record, and punish those who don't comply?
Words are cheap, enacting them is hard.
Exactly.
wrote on 10 Sept 2021, 14:32 last edited by@mik said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
@george-k said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
@loki said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
I think the way to look at it is comparing to public health crises in the past.
Such as what? Polio, AIDS, Ebola? What were the federal government mandates during that crisis, or any other of your choosing?
An aside, what, exactly, are the plans for implementing this? Are we going to need a(nother) federal agency to monitor, record, and punish those who don't comply?
Words are cheap, enacting them is hard.
Exactly.
Dr. Biden wanted to go full Australian, it was rumored.
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@lufins-dad said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
You know, the bigger the issue, the more important it is to hold true to your principles.
I got vaccinated. My family all got vaccinated.
It strikes me that if people spent less time going on about their fucking principles and just got vaccinated, we'd all be a lot better off.
wrote on 10 Sept 2021, 14:34 last edited by@doctor-phibes said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
if people spent less time going on about their fucking principles and just got vaccinated, we'd all be a lot better off.
This is why privacy has no place in the vax debate. I'm a big proponent of privacy, but when contagion dominates, there cannot by definition be privacy considerations. If you want to live among people, get vaccinated. Otherwise go live on the moon.
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@lufins-dad said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
You know, the bigger the issue, the more important it is to hold true to your principles.
I got vaccinated. My family all got vaccinated.
It strikes me that if people spent less time going on about their fucking principles and just got vaccinated, we'd all be a lot better off.
wrote on 10 Sept 2021, 14:36 last edited by@doctor-phibes said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
@lufins-dad said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
You know, the bigger the issue, the more important it is to hold true to your principles.
I got vaccinated. My family all got vaccinated.
It strikes me that if people spent less time going on about their fucking principles and just got vaccinated, we'd all be a lot better off.
So what. Most people are vaccinated. And more were getting vaccinated every day, even as we learned the "vaccine" is ephemeral.
Some principles are worth planting a flag on a hill and dying over. Perhaps that is the difference between citizens and subjects.