Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees
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@loki said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
No one is listening Mollie except for your own tribe. That is the radius of your impact.
Fair enough.
Now dispute what she said.
Is what Biden proposes an abuse of power? Was the Ukraine phone call an abuse of power?
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It's an empty threat. The infrastructure to enforce this does not exist. If you read, even for the federal employees there will be an HR process that will take several steps to actually take any action. Contractor companies will do it on an honor system (nod, wink, wink)
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@george-k said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
@loki said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
No one is listening Mollie except for your own tribe. That is the radius of your impact.
Fair enough.
Now dispute what she said.
Is what Biden proposes an abuse of power? Was the Ukraine phone call an abuse of power?
For me there is a public health crisis. It used to be that everyone fell in line.
Public health trumps all in my view. Period.
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@mik said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
It's an empty threat. The infrastructure to enforce this does not exist. If you read, even for the federal employees there will be an HR process that will take several steps to actually take any action. Contractor companies will do it on an honor system (nod, wink, wink)
It isolates the nay sayers further. It’s very effective and states what is happening. If anything the ding on Biden is that he is leading from behind. He just ordained an already done deal.
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@loki said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
@george-k said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
@loki said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
No one is listening Mollie except for your own tribe. That is the radius of your impact.
Fair enough.
Now dispute what she said.
Is what Biden proposes an abuse of power? Was the Ukraine phone call an abuse of power?
For me there is a public health crisis. It used to be that everyone fell in line.
Public health trumps all in my view. Period.
The country would be less crowded if we started shooting at least one child from every family. Wouldn't use up our resources nearly as fast.
Public health, you know.
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@jolly said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
@loki said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
@george-k said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
@loki said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
No one is listening Mollie except for your own tribe. That is the radius of your impact.
Fair enough.
Now dispute what she said.
Is what Biden proposes an abuse of power? Was the Ukraine phone call an abuse of power?
For me there is a public health crisis. It used to be that everyone fell in line.
Public health trumps all in my view. Period.
The country would be less crowded if we started shooting at least one child from every family. Wouldn't use up our resources nearly as fast.
Public health, you know.
I’m not sure how far that comment would go in school or a business meeting. You might get a timeout, LOL.
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@loki said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
I guess I’ll keep responding but in the circles I am involved with it is no longer a topic of conversation. I think mostly because the way forward is considered settled. It’s been long enough actually.
You seem to think that I'm against vaccinations. Rest assured, I am not. In my circles, it's not a subject to discuss either.
My point was simply that the fact that Biden is doing this, by fiat, is probably illegal. It might be right, but I'd really like to see the law on this.
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@george-k said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
@loki said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
I guess I’ll keep responding but in the circles I am involved with it is no longer a topic of conversation. I think mostly because the way forward is considered settled. It’s been long enough actually.
You seem to think that I'm against vaccinations. Rest assured, I am not. In my circles, it's not a subject to discuss either.
My point was simply that the fact that Biden is doing this, by fiat, is probably illegal. It might be right, but I'd really like to see the law on this.
I don’t think you are against vaccinations. I also am not sure what the law is but I don’t the comparison is with Ukraine (just another snarky lazy smart ass what you get from people these days). I think the way to look at it is comparing to public health crises in the past.
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@loki said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
I guess I’ll keep responding but in the circles I am involved with it is no longer a topic of conversation. I think mostly because the way forward is considered settled. It’s been long enough actually.
The Resident just made it a huge topic of conversation.
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@loki said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
I think the way to look at it is comparing to public health crises in the past.
Such as what? Polio, AIDS, Ebola? What were the federal government mandates during that crisis, or any other of your choosing?
An aside, what, exactly, are the plans for implementing this? Are we going to need a(nother) federal agency to monitor, record, and punish those who don't comply?
Words are cheap, enacting them is hard.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@george-k said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
This mandate will spend months and months in court.
Lots of government proposals languish somewhere, even if or before they make it to court. It's just that most of them's sponsors aren't press superstars. Often the proposal isn't for the sake of whatever cause is being supported, but to collect attaboys from the folks back home. Or the party. Or the moneybags people.
Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka
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@catseye3 said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
@george-k said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
This mandate will spend months and months in court.
Lots of government proposals languish somewhere, even if or before they make it to court. It's just that most of them's sponsors aren't press superstars. Often the proposal isn't for the sake of whatever cause is being supported, but to collect attaboys from the folks back home. Or the party. Or the moneybags people.
I think the question is whether this gets Fast-tracked to SCOTUS.
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I will check back in this thread in a week to see if any predictions are right. Kind of reminds me of how the media handled Trump and the winning ticket was to predict whether their story had legs a week later and you could generally say no and be a big winner.
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Shifting from carrot to stick...
