Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees
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wrote on 10 Sept 2021, 12:44 last edited by
@george-k said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
No one is listening Mollie except for your own tribe. That is the radius of your impact.
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wrote on 10 Sept 2021, 12:50 last edited by
Well, maybe it's the tribe to be in. Truckers just went into a national "slow drive".
Don't know if enough are participating to make it interesting, but I hope you have enough toilet paper stocked up.
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@george-k said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
No one is listening Mollie except for your own tribe. That is the radius of your impact.
wrote on 10 Sept 2021, 12:51 last edited by@loki said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
No one is listening Mollie except for your own tribe. That is the radius of your impact.
Fair enough.
Now dispute what she said.
Is what Biden proposes an abuse of power? Was the Ukraine phone call an abuse of power?
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wrote on 10 Sept 2021, 12:59 last edited by
It's an empty threat. The infrastructure to enforce this does not exist. If you read, even for the federal employees there will be an HR process that will take several steps to actually take any action. Contractor companies will do it on an honor system (nod, wink, wink)
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wrote on 10 Sept 2021, 13:00 last edited by
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@loki said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
No one is listening Mollie except for your own tribe. That is the radius of your impact.
Fair enough.
Now dispute what she said.
Is what Biden proposes an abuse of power? Was the Ukraine phone call an abuse of power?
wrote on 10 Sept 2021, 13:02 last edited by@george-k said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
@loki said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
No one is listening Mollie except for your own tribe. That is the radius of your impact.
Fair enough.
Now dispute what she said.
Is what Biden proposes an abuse of power? Was the Ukraine phone call an abuse of power?
For me there is a public health crisis. It used to be that everyone fell in line.
Public health trumps all in my view. Period.
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It's an empty threat. The infrastructure to enforce this does not exist. If you read, even for the federal employees there will be an HR process that will take several steps to actually take any action. Contractor companies will do it on an honor system (nod, wink, wink)
wrote on 10 Sept 2021, 13:04 last edited by@mik said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
It's an empty threat. The infrastructure to enforce this does not exist. If you read, even for the federal employees there will be an HR process that will take several steps to actually take any action. Contractor companies will do it on an honor system (nod, wink, wink)
It isolates the nay sayers further. It’s very effective and states what is happening. If anything the ding on Biden is that he is leading from behind. He just ordained an already done deal.
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@george-k said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
@loki said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
No one is listening Mollie except for your own tribe. That is the radius of your impact.
Fair enough.
Now dispute what she said.
Is what Biden proposes an abuse of power? Was the Ukraine phone call an abuse of power?
For me there is a public health crisis. It used to be that everyone fell in line.
Public health trumps all in my view. Period.
wrote on 10 Sept 2021, 13:04 last edited by@loki said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
@george-k said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
@loki said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
No one is listening Mollie except for your own tribe. That is the radius of your impact.
Fair enough.
Now dispute what she said.
Is what Biden proposes an abuse of power? Was the Ukraine phone call an abuse of power?
For me there is a public health crisis. It used to be that everyone fell in line.
Public health trumps all in my view. Period.
The country would be less crowded if we started shooting at least one child from every family. Wouldn't use up our resources nearly as fast.
Public health, you know.
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@loki said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
@george-k said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
@loki said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
No one is listening Mollie except for your own tribe. That is the radius of your impact.
Fair enough.
Now dispute what she said.
Is what Biden proposes an abuse of power? Was the Ukraine phone call an abuse of power?
For me there is a public health crisis. It used to be that everyone fell in line.
Public health trumps all in my view. Period.
The country would be less crowded if we started shooting at least one child from every family. Wouldn't use up our resources nearly as fast.
Public health, you know.
wrote on 10 Sept 2021, 13:08 last edited by@jolly said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
@loki said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
@george-k said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
@loki said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
No one is listening Mollie except for your own tribe. That is the radius of your impact.
Fair enough.
Now dispute what she said.
Is what Biden proposes an abuse of power? Was the Ukraine phone call an abuse of power?
For me there is a public health crisis. It used to be that everyone fell in line.
Public health trumps all in my view. Period.
The country would be less crowded if we started shooting at least one child from every family. Wouldn't use up our resources nearly as fast.
Public health, you know.
I’m not sure how far that comment would go in school or a business meeting. You might get a timeout, LOL.
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wrote on 10 Sept 2021, 13:09 last edited by
Not really. It just drives them underground in these cases.
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I guess I’ll keep responding but in the circles I am involved with it is no longer a topic of conversation. I think mostly because the way forward is considered settled. It’s been long enough actually.
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I guess I’ll keep responding but in the circles I am involved with it is no longer a topic of conversation. I think mostly because the way forward is considered settled. It’s been long enough actually.
wrote on 10 Sept 2021, 13:16 last edited by@loki said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
I guess I’ll keep responding but in the circles I am involved with it is no longer a topic of conversation. I think mostly because the way forward is considered settled. It’s been long enough actually.
You seem to think that I'm against vaccinations. Rest assured, I am not. In my circles, it's not a subject to discuss either.
My point was simply that the fact that Biden is doing this, by fiat, is probably illegal. It might be right, but I'd really like to see the law on this.
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@loki said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
I guess I’ll keep responding but in the circles I am involved with it is no longer a topic of conversation. I think mostly because the way forward is considered settled. It’s been long enough actually.
You seem to think that I'm against vaccinations. Rest assured, I am not. In my circles, it's not a subject to discuss either.
My point was simply that the fact that Biden is doing this, by fiat, is probably illegal. It might be right, but I'd really like to see the law on this.
wrote on 10 Sept 2021, 13:19 last edited by@george-k said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
@loki said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
I guess I’ll keep responding but in the circles I am involved with it is no longer a topic of conversation. I think mostly because the way forward is considered settled. It’s been long enough actually.
You seem to think that I'm against vaccinations. Rest assured, I am not. In my circles, it's not a subject to discuss either.
My point was simply that the fact that Biden is doing this, by fiat, is probably illegal. It might be right, but I'd really like to see the law on this.
I don’t think you are against vaccinations. I also am not sure what the law is but I don’t the comparison is with Ukraine (just another snarky lazy smart ass what you get from people these days). I think the way to look at it is comparing to public health crises in the past.
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I guess I’ll keep responding but in the circles I am involved with it is no longer a topic of conversation. I think mostly because the way forward is considered settled. It’s been long enough actually.
wrote on 10 Sept 2021, 13:25 last edited by@loki said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
I guess I’ll keep responding but in the circles I am involved with it is no longer a topic of conversation. I think mostly because the way forward is considered settled. It’s been long enough actually.
The Resident just made it a huge topic of conversation.
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@george-k said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
@loki said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
I guess I’ll keep responding but in the circles I am involved with it is no longer a topic of conversation. I think mostly because the way forward is considered settled. It’s been long enough actually.
You seem to think that I'm against vaccinations. Rest assured, I am not. In my circles, it's not a subject to discuss either.
My point was simply that the fact that Biden is doing this, by fiat, is probably illegal. It might be right, but I'd really like to see the law on this.
I don’t think you are against vaccinations. I also am not sure what the law is but I don’t the comparison is with Ukraine (just another snarky lazy smart ass what you get from people these days). I think the way to look at it is comparing to public health crises in the past.
wrote on 10 Sept 2021, 13:26 last edited by@loki said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
I think the way to look at it is comparing to public health crises in the past.
Such as what? Polio, AIDS, Ebola? What were the federal government mandates during that crisis, or any other of your choosing?
An aside, what, exactly, are the plans for implementing this? Are we going to need a(nother) federal agency to monitor, record, and punish those who don't comply?
Words are cheap, enacting them is hard.
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Another thing.
(disclaimer, I'm NOT anti-vaccine)
By what authority does he mandate employers to implement this policy. This mandate will spend months and months in court.
wrote on 10 Sept 2021, 13:31 last edited by@george-k said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
This mandate will spend months and months in court.
Lots of government proposals languish somewhere, even if or before they make it to court. It's just that most of them's sponsors aren't press superstars. Often the proposal isn't for the sake of whatever cause is being supported, but to collect attaboys from the folks back home. Or the party. Or the moneybags people.
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@george-k said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
This mandate will spend months and months in court.
Lots of government proposals languish somewhere, even if or before they make it to court. It's just that most of them's sponsors aren't press superstars. Often the proposal isn't for the sake of whatever cause is being supported, but to collect attaboys from the folks back home. Or the party. Or the moneybags people.
wrote on 10 Sept 2021, 13:35 last edited by@catseye3 said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
@george-k said in Biden to mandate vaccination or weekly testing for companies over 100 employees:
This mandate will spend months and months in court.
Lots of government proposals languish somewhere, even if or before they make it to court. It's just that most of them's sponsors aren't press superstars. Often the proposal isn't for the sake of whatever cause is being supported, but to collect attaboys from the folks back home. Or the party. Or the moneybags people.
I think the question is whether this gets Fast-tracked to SCOTUS.
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wrote on 10 Sept 2021, 13:41 last edited by
I will check back in this thread in a week to see if any predictions are right. Kind of reminds me of how the media handled Trump and the winning ticket was to predict whether their story had legs a week later and you could generally say no and be a big winner.
