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[Axtremus]

@Jolly said in 350,000:

Should the U.S. be educating 350,000 Chinese students?

Not a matter of “should,” but a matter of whether we want to take their tuition dollars in exchange for education services like we do for every one else. Would you like the federal government make that decision centrally or would you rather have individual colleges/universities making that decision locally?

[Mik]

As I ruminate on it, it sounds like starting another Cold War to me. I wonder how much these visas have contributed to greater understanding between the two peoples. This proposal seems to just further isolate the US.

[mark]

@Mik said in 350,000:

This proposal seems to just further isolate the US.

Agreed! We have seen way too much of that over the past 3 years.

[Jolly]

Technology transfer. Particularly on the research side of the graduate programs, there is no doubt that the Chinese are engaged in industrial spying on a massive scale.

The Chinese are not our friends.

I'm also not sure about the argument made concerning Chinese students experiencing freedom and then going back home to demand more freedom from the Chinese government. Doesn't seem like that is happening.

Therefore, if we wish to allow Chinese students to attend high school or obtain an undergrad degree in the U.S., fine. Maybe the freedom idea will eventually work. But education should end there. No Chinese students should be admitted to graduate programs.

[mark]

Again, they will just go to other developed countries and spend their money there.

IMO too much is made of having perpetual "enemies" or the us vs. them argument.

I also do not believe that the Chinese people are not our friends.

[George K]

@mark said in 350,000:

I also do not believe that the Chinese people are not our friends.

The Chinese people ≠ the Chinese government.

[Jolly]

@mark said in 350,000:

Again, they will just go to other developed countries and spend their money there.

IMO too much is made of having perpetual "enemies" or the us vs. them argument.

I also do not believe that the Chinese people are not our friends.

Then let them spend their money elsewhere. There are several areas where America leads the world in technology research.

I'd just as soon we stayed that way.

[mark]

One could argue that we don't have it anyway and, that is just a fantasy. We have no monopoly on intelligence and innovation due to our geographical location on the planet.

[Doctor Phibes]

I suspect that the idea of isolating ourselves from China, technologically or otherwise, is a fantasy. If you work in an internationally operating company, the amount of data flow between the US/whoever and China is very large.

I would also say there is a potential long term benefit to having people from China live and work here. The Chinese people I have had visit have often expressed surprise, in a positive way, regarding how the US is once they come here in person. What they're told, and what they expect, is often quite different from the the reality.

[Copper]

@mark said in 350,000:

We have no monopoly on intelligence and innovation

I think you could make a good argument that the results over the last 60 years say we do have a monopoly.

If not a monopoly, certainly more than our fair share.

[Doctor Phibes]

[jon-nyc]

Yeah right. As if any monopoly game has ever ended.

[Mik]

You should play my family. Monopoly as blood sport.

[Jolly]

@mark said in 350,000:

One could argue that we don't have it anyway and, that is just a fantasy. We have no monopoly on intelligence and innovation due to our geographical location on the planet.

We don't have a monopoly on intelligence. In fact, I think it can be demonstrated that the Chinese (and the Indians) are more intelligent than we are.

I think we are more innovative, even more than the Western Europeans (although that is debatable). I don't think we should innovate, then have those innovations stolen by a country that does not respect intellectual property.

As Barney Fire said, "Nip it. Nip it in the bud!" .

[Doctor Phibes]

If it was in the bud, maybe it would be possible. At this point you're trying to cut down oak trees with secateurs.

American companies use Chinese manufacturing so that they can sell their stuff cheap and lay off overly-expensive American workers. You can't have them build stuff for you without telling them how to build it. Stopping their graduates from attending universities won't make much difference. In fact, it might make them ask for more money, which might help in the long run.