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Who should and should not be allowed to vote?

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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
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    Thought exercise du jour...For the next constitutional amendment, let's consider restrictions to the franchise.

    Who should and should not be allowed to vote?

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • JollyJ Jolly

      Thought exercise du jour...For the next constitutional amendment, let's consider restrictions to the franchise.

      Who should and should not be allowed to vote?

      George KG Offline
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      George K
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      @jolly said in Who should and should not be allowed to vote?:

      Who should

      Citizens

      and should not be allowed to vote?

      Those who can't prove that they are.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • JollyJ Offline
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        No state-issued ID, no vote.

        Convicted felon? Franchise restored 10 years after sentence served.

        No voters under 18.

        Every 10 years starting at initial registration, must pass a simple test abbreviated from the test an immigrant takes for citizenship.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • JollyJ Offline
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          Jolly
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          #4

          Some to play with:

          Must serve 12 months (or pick your duration) in the military (Army, Marines, Navy, Coast Guard, Air Force) to vote.

          Only net taxpayers vote.

          Votes are apportioned on taxes paid. More taxes you pay, the more votes you get, capped at five votes per person.

          If adjudicated mentally incompetent, not allowed to vote for ten years.

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • JollyJ Jolly

            Some to play with:

            Must serve 12 months (or pick your duration) in the military (Army, Marines, Navy, Coast Guard, Air Force) to vote.

            Only net taxpayers vote.

            Votes are apportioned on taxes paid. More taxes you pay, the more votes you get, capped at five votes per person.

            If adjudicated mentally incompetent, not allowed to vote for ten years.

            George KG Offline
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            George K
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            @jolly said in Who should and should not be allowed to vote?:

            Must serve 12 months (or pick your duration) in the military (Army, Marines, Navy, Coast Guard, Air Force) to vote.

            What about other forms of public service?

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • MikM Offline
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              #6

              With all the infrastructure projects it might be a good time for another WPA.

              "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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              • LuFins DadL Offline
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                LuFins Dad
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                #7

                Who should be allowed?

                Me.

                Who shouldn’t?

                Everybody else.

                Exceptions will be made on an individual basis by me, based on my experience and studies of the subject. You all are welcome to apply…

                The Brad

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                • CopperC Offline
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                  Copper
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                  #8

                  Only Irish-American males over the age of 40.

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                  • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                    Who should be allowed?

                    Me.

                    Who shouldn’t?

                    Everybody else.

                    Exceptions will be made on an individual basis by me, based on my experience and studies of the subject. You all are welcome to apply…

                    jon-nycJ Offline
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                    jon-nyc
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                    @lufins-dad said in Who should and should not be allowed to vote?:

                    Who should be allowed?

                    Me and people who think like me.

                    Who shouldn’t?

                    Everybody else.

                    Exceptions will be made on an individual basis by me, based on my experience and studies of the subject. You all are welcome to apply…

                    FIFY

                    If you don't take it, it can only good happen.

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                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                      @lufins-dad said in Who should and should not be allowed to vote?:

                      Who should be allowed?

                      Me and people who think like me.

                      Who shouldn’t?

                      Everybody else.

                      Exceptions will be made on an individual basis by me, based on my experience and studies of the subject. You all are welcome to apply…

                      FIFY

                      LuFins DadL Offline
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                      LuFins Dad
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                      @jon-nyc said in Who should and should not be allowed to vote?:

                      @lufins-dad said in Who should and should not be allowed to vote?:

                      Who should be allowed?

                      Me and people who think like me.

                      Who shouldn’t?

                      Everybody else.

                      Exceptions will be made on an individual basis by me, based on my experience and studies of the subject. You all are welcome to apply…

                      FIFY

                      No… Just me. Once we establish that, then I am willing to listen to petitions. I will be a magnanimous ruler conscientious voter.

                      The Brad

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                      • George KG George K

                        @jolly said in Who should and should not be allowed to vote?:

                        Must serve 12 months (or pick your duration) in the military (Army, Marines, Navy, Coast Guard, Air Force) to vote.

                        What about other forms of public service?

                        JollyJ Offline
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                        Jolly
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                        @george-k said in Who should and should not be allowed to vote?:

                        @jolly said in Who should and should not be allowed to vote?:

                        Must serve 12 months (or pick your duration) in the military (Army, Marines, Navy, Coast Guard, Air Force) to vote.

                        What about other forms of public service?

                        I'm open to suggestions.

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        • JollyJ Jolly

                          @george-k said in Who should and should not be allowed to vote?:

                          @jolly said in Who should and should not be allowed to vote?:

                          Must serve 12 months (or pick your duration) in the military (Army, Marines, Navy, Coast Guard, Air Force) to vote.

                          What about other forms of public service?

                          I'm open to suggestions.

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                          @jolly said in Who should and should not be allowed to vote?:

                          @george-k said in Who should and should not be allowed to vote?:

                          @jolly said in Who should and should not be allowed to vote?:

                          Must serve 12 months (or pick your duration) in the military (Army, Marines, Navy, Coast Guard, Air Force) to vote.

                          What about other forms of public service?

                          I'm open to suggestions.

                          Making license plates?

                          Education is extremely important.

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                            Catseye3
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                            #13

                            Voting privilege based on necessary general knowledge of a competent citizen.

                            I've given thought to this. The setup could be something like a test of eight randomly selected questions that appears immediately before the ballot. Your ballot would not appear until you completed the test. There could be 60 questions in the total available pool, with eight in each test, so there's no way to cheat or pass along the questions to your buddy behind you.

                            If you fail, the ballot does not appear. Instead there would be a message of information about what you could do to improve your score the next time.

                            The questions should be very simple. Name the three branches. Who is president right now. Which state is Los Angeles in. Name one Supreme Court justice. When was independence declared. Like that. You shouldn't have to be a genius, but you do have to know which planet you're on.

                            The felons who can vote law should be changed. Felons of a certain stripe, no, but other classes, yes. Especially in this day and age, when many so-called felons are prohibited from voting for the rest of their lives unfairly.

                            Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                              Copper
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                              All kidding aside, of course everyone over the age of 18 should be allowed to vote.

                              The question is, how many times can each of them vote?

                              And how many of the opposition votes can they destroy?

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                              • JollyJ Offline
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                                Jolly
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                                @catseye3 said in Who should and should not be allowed to vote?:

                                Voting privilege based on necessary general knowledge of a competent citizen.
                                I've given thought to this. The setup could be something like a test of eight randomly selected questions that appears immediately before the ballot. Your ballot would not appear until you completed the test. There could be 60 questions in the total available pool, with eight in each test, so there's no way to cheat or pass along the questions to your buddy behind you.
                                If you fail, the ballot does not appear. Instead there would be a message of information about what you could do to improve your score the next time.
                                The questions should be very simple. Name the three branches. Who is president right now. Which state is Los Angeles in. Name one Supreme Court justice. When was independence declared. Like that. You shouldn't have to be a genius, but you do have to know which planet you're on.

                                I could vote for that.

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                • HoraceH Offline
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                                  Horace
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                                  Support for anything related to intelligence as a qualifier to vote might wane, as soon as the left successfully portrayed such support as racist. Which would occur in 4 seconds.

                                  Education is extremely important.

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                                    Jolly
                                    wrote on last edited by
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                                    Think it will take that long?

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    • HoraceH Horace

                                      Support for anything related to intelligence as a qualifier to vote might wane, as soon as the left successfully portrayed such support as racist. Which would occur in 4 seconds.

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                                      @horace said in Who should and should not be allowed to vote?:

                                      Support for anything related to intelligence as a qualifier to vote might wane, as soon as the left successfully portrayed such support as racist. Which would occur in 4 seconds.

                                      No, it wouldn't. I thought of that. The randomness of the presentation of the tests would preclude that -- no way to know the race of the next voter in line. You get what you get.

                                      And it iwould specifically not be related to intelligence, but rather to the most basic of elementary knowledge that virtually everyone would have been exposed to in school.

                                      Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                                      • Catseye3C Catseye3

                                        @horace said in Who should and should not be allowed to vote?:

                                        Support for anything related to intelligence as a qualifier to vote might wane, as soon as the left successfully portrayed such support as racist. Which would occur in 4 seconds.

                                        No, it wouldn't. I thought of that. The randomness of the presentation of the tests would preclude that -- no way to know the race of the next voter in line. You get what you get.

                                        And it iwould specifically not be related to intelligence, but rather to the most basic of elementary knowledge that virtually everyone would have been exposed to in school.

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                                        @catseye3 said in Who should and should not be allowed to vote?:

                                        @horace said in Who should and should not be allowed to vote?:

                                        Support for anything related to intelligence as a qualifier to vote might wane, as soon as the left successfully portrayed such support as racist. Which would occur in 4 seconds.

                                        No, it wouldn't. I thought of that.

                                        well, I stand corrected. You thought of that. You brought to bear your own considerable intelligence, and concluded that basic knowledge tests have nothing to do with intelligence, and that further, there would be no disparities between ethnic groups in their pass/fail rate. Therefore, no charge of racism would ever be applied. Thank you for sharing your insights.

                                        Education is extremely important.

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                                        • HoraceH Horace

                                          @catseye3 said in Who should and should not be allowed to vote?:

                                          @horace said in Who should and should not be allowed to vote?:

                                          Support for anything related to intelligence as a qualifier to vote might wane, as soon as the left successfully portrayed such support as racist. Which would occur in 4 seconds.

                                          No, it wouldn't. I thought of that.

                                          well, I stand corrected. You thought of that. You brought to bear your own considerable intelligence, and concluded that basic knowledge tests have nothing to do with intelligence, and that further, there would be no disparities between ethnic groups in their pass/fail rate. Therefore, no charge of racism would ever be applied. Thank you for sharing your insights.

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                                          @horace said in Who should and should not be allowed to vote?:

                                          You brought to bear your own considerable intelligence, and concluded that basic knowledge tests have nothing to do with intelligence,

                                          I didn't quite say that. It takes intelligence to know about voting and how to find your way to the voting precinct, after all.

                                          Simple disagreement is sufficient, Horace. No need to leap immediately to the snark.

                                          Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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