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  • George KG Offline
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    Spike Lee’s New Documentary Gives a Notorious 9/11 Conspiracy Theorist His Biggest Platform Ever

    On Monday, the New York Times reported that Spike Lee devotes a significant amount of time in his new four-part HBO documentary series, NYC Epicenters 9/11–2021½, to the group Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth, which promotes the conspiracy theory that the Twin Towers were brought down by a controlled demolition as part of an inside job.

    About a decade ago, I interviewed Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth founder Richard Gage multiple times and attended one of his events for articles in Slate and Architect Magazine. Gage is responsible for peddling some of the most pernicious and long-running lies about the 9/11 attacks, which is why I was surprised that Lee, HBO, and WarnerMedia might be lending his group any amount of time.

    I had to see for myself to what extent Lee’s documentary actually promoted Gage’s fantasies, so I checked out a screener for Episode 4, which is due to be released around the 20th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks. What I found was surreal and demoralizing.

    Lee devotes 30 minutes near the very end of his series to relitigating arguments that have been debunked a thousand times. Specifically, he presents about a dozen conspiracy theorists and members of Gage’s group, including Gage himself, in a back-and-forth with three credible scientists who investigated the 9/11 attacks in a teach the controversy–style format that presents the truth behind 9/11 as an open debate between two equally valid sides. In terms of conveying facts, this is a bit like presenting COVID-19 vaccine skeptics in a debate alongside Anthony Fauci, or Holocaust deniers alongside the Simon Wiesenthal Center, or a clique of climate change skeptics alongside the authors of the United Nations IPCC report.

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      That's not the only conspiracy theory Lee is a devotee of. He's also hook line and sinker into the American racism conspiracy theory.

      Education is extremely important.

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        Does the documentary provide interviews or information by conspiracy debunkers or is it one sided?

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          Does the documentary provide interviews or information by conspiracy debunkers or is it one sided?

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          @loki said in HBO Broadcasts Conspiracy Theories:

          Does the documentary provide interviews or information by conspiracy debunkers or is it one sided?

          I just watched the documentary, and I can tell you first hand that he presents about a dozen conspiracy theorists and members of Gage’s group, including Gage himself, in a back-and-forth with three credible scientists who investigated the 9/11 attacks in a teach the controversy–style format that presents the truth behind 9/11 as an open debate between two equally valid sides. In terms of conveying facts, this is a bit like presenting COVID-19 vaccine skeptics in a debate alongside Anthony Fauci, or Holocaust deniers alongside the Simon Wiesenthal Center, or a clique of climate change skeptics alongside the authors of the United Nations IPCC report.

          Education is extremely important.

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            @george-k said in HBO Broadcasts Conspiracy Theories:

            otes 30 minutes near the very end of his series to relitigating arguments that have been debunked a thousand times. Specifically, he presents about a dozen conspiracy theorists and members of Gage’s group, including Gage himself, in a back-and-forth with three credible scientists who investigated the 9/11 attacks in a teach the controversy–style format that presents the truth behind 9/11 as an open debate between two equally valid sides. In terms of conveying facts, this is a bit like presenting COVID-19 vaccine skeptics in a debate alongside Anthony Fauci, or Holocaust deniers alongside the Simon Wiesenthal Center, or a clique of climate change skeptics alongside the authors of the United Nations IPCC report.

            I met the A&E for 9/11 Truth folks at the AIA convention a few years ago. They focus on the collapse of WTC 7, calling it a controlled demolition.

            The video looks nothing like a controlled demo. They also ignore that at 800 deg F steel starts to lose 10% of its bearing strength, and typical office fires get up around 1500 - 1750 deg F, so even with spray on fire proofing, if its not a complete seal that the collapse will occur and the building will start pancaking. Which is exactly what it looked like.

            And they claim 3000+ members out of probably 600,000 registered architects and structural engineers in America.

            They're nuts.

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