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I think those representing the vaccine hesitant have to define the go forward plan. I do not believe I have seen that.
You mean, how to craftily craft messaging that will convince them? How about not setting an impossible task and sacrificing honesty in pursuit of it, while still inevitably failing? The go forward plan that will accomplish your goal does not exist.
Is there an alternate plan anywhere I can look at?
Sure, here you are:
- Say certain words
- ???
- 100% of people will be vaccinated
wrote on 11 Aug 2021, 16:15 last edited byI think those representing the vaccine hesitant have to define the go forward plan. I do not believe I have seen that.
You mean, how to craftily craft messaging that will convince them? How about not setting an impossible task and sacrificing honesty in pursuit of it, while still inevitably failing? The go forward plan that will accomplish your goal does not exist.
Is there an alternate plan anywhere I can look at?
Sure, here you are:
- Say certain words
- ???
- 100% of people will be vaccinated
Ok. I think we are at a dead end. I won’t pursue.
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I think those representing the vaccine hesitant have to define the go forward plan. I do not believe I have seen that.
You mean, how to craftily craft messaging that will convince them? How about not setting an impossible task and sacrificing honesty in pursuit of it, while still inevitably failing? The go forward plan that will accomplish your goal does not exist.
Is there an alternate plan anywhere I can look at?
Sure, here you are:
- Say certain words
- ???
- 100% of people will be vaccinated
Ok. I think we are at a dead end. I won’t pursue.
wrote on 11 Aug 2021, 16:36 last edited byI think those representing the vaccine hesitant have to define the go forward plan. I do not believe I have seen that.
You mean, how to craftily craft messaging that will convince them? How about not setting an impossible task and sacrificing honesty in pursuit of it, while still inevitably failing? The go forward plan that will accomplish your goal does not exist.
Is there an alternate plan anywhere I can look at?
Sure, here you are:
- Say certain words
- ???
- 100% of people will be vaccinated
Ok. I think we are at a dead end. I won’t pursue.
I very clearly stated that a plan to achieve your goal does not and can not exist. From there, you’re looking at a discussion of how to improve the current plan. Some people are advocating for more honesty in messaging. You’re advocating for a plan to get us to 100% vaccination, and asking for people to point you to such a plan.
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I think those representing the vaccine hesitant have to define the go forward plan. I do not believe I have seen that.
You mean, how to craftily craft messaging that will convince them? How about not setting an impossible task and sacrificing honesty in pursuit of it, while still inevitably failing? The go forward plan that will accomplish your goal does not exist.
Is there an alternate plan anywhere I can look at?
Sure, here you are:
- Say certain words
- ???
- 100% of people will be vaccinated
Ok. I think we are at a dead end. I won’t pursue.
I very clearly stated that a plan to achieve your goal does not and can not exist. From there, you’re looking at a discussion of how to improve the current plan. Some people are advocating for more honesty in messaging. You’re advocating for a plan to get us to 100% vaccination, and asking for people to point you to such a plan.
wrote on 11 Aug 2021, 17:04 last edited byI think those representing the vaccine hesitant have to define the go forward plan. I do not believe I have seen that.
You mean, how to craftily craft messaging that will convince them? How about not setting an impossible task and sacrificing honesty in pursuit of it, while still inevitably failing? The go forward plan that will accomplish your goal does not exist.
Is there an alternate plan anywhere I can look at?
Sure, here you are:
- Say certain words
- ???
- 100% of people will be vaccinated
Ok. I think we are at a dead end. I won’t pursue.
I very clearly stated that a plan to achieve your goal does not and can not exist. From there, you’re looking at a discussion of how to improve the current plan. Some people are advocating for
more honesty in messaging. You’re advocating for a plan to get us to 100% vaccination, and asking for people to point you to such a plan.
I apologize for that impression. A plan could be to stop the vaccinations and do something different, it could be to offer vaccines and a treatment option, it could be some other hybrid solution.
I don’t want to put words in your or anyone else mouth and I won’t presuppose what you are thinking.
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The USA has been polio free for about 40 years, it took us about 25 years after the vaccine to get there.
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I think those representing the vaccine hesitant have to define the go forward plan. I do not believe I have seen that.
You mean, how to craftily craft messaging that will convince them? How about not setting an impossible task and sacrificing honesty in pursuit of it, while still inevitably failing? The go forward plan that will accomplish your goal does not exist.
Is there an alternate plan anywhere I can look at?
Sure, here you are:
- Say certain words
- ???
- 100% of people will be vaccinated
Ok. I think we are at a dead end. I won’t pursue.
I very clearly stated that a plan to achieve your goal does not and can not exist. From there, you’re looking at a discussion of how to improve the current plan. Some people are advocating for
more honesty in messaging. You’re advocating for a plan to get us to 100% vaccination, and asking for people to point you to such a plan.
I apologize for that impression. A plan could be to stop the vaccinations and do something different, it could be to offer vaccines and a treatment option, it could be some other hybrid solution.
I don’t want to put words in your or anyone else mouth and I won’t presuppose what you are thinking.
wrote on 11 Aug 2021, 17:15 last edited byI think those representing the vaccine hesitant have to define the go forward plan. I do not believe I have seen that.
You mean, how to craftily craft messaging that will convince them? How about not setting an impossible task and sacrificing honesty in pursuit of it, while still inevitably failing? The go forward plan that will accomplish your goal does not exist.
Is there an alternate plan anywhere I can look at?
Sure, here you are:
- Say certain words
- ???
- 100% of people will be vaccinated
Ok. I think we are at a dead end. I won’t pursue.
I very clearly stated that a plan to achieve your goal does not and can not exist. From there, you’re looking at a discussion of how to improve the current plan. Some people are advocating for
more honesty in messaging. You’re advocating for a plan to get us to 100% vaccination, and asking for people to point you to such a plan.
I apologize for that impression. A plan could be to stop the vaccinations and do something different, it could be to offer vaccines and a treatment option, it could be some other hybrid solution.
I don’t want to put words in your or anyone else mouth and I won’t presuppose what you are thinking.
Ok so, accept that more honesty from the leaders is a proposal of a plan that some people think will lead to more vaccination.
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The USA has been polio free for about 40 years, it took us about 25 years after the vaccine to get there.
wrote on 11 Aug 2021, 17:16 last edited byThe USA has been polio free for about 40 years, it took us about 25 years after the vaccine to get there.
Well, it only took a few years for the massive decline. After that it was waiting for the few remaining cases to fade away. The vaccine was introduced in 1955...
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wrote on 11 Aug 2021, 17:21 last edited by Copper 8 Nov 2021, 17:22
The request was for the 100% plan.
Mr Trump and Mr Biden have both been kind enough to give us massive declines.
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The request was for the 100% plan.
Mr Trump and Mr Biden have both been kind enough to give us massive declines.
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But Truth is essential.
Look at the Delta variant and children. As people recognize that children can get the disease, they start to rethink vaccination ages and they rethink their own status. If TPTB hadn't blown their truth wad on semi-speculation, people would believe them when they said that as many as 20% of Delta infections in some places affected people less than 18 years-old.
That's just one example.
wrote on 11 Aug 2021, 18:18 last edited byBut Truth is essential.
Look at the Delta variant and children. As people recognize that children can get the disease, they start to rethink vaccination ages and they rethink their own status. If TPTB hadn't blown their truth wad on semi-speculation, people would believe them when they said that as many as 20% of Delta infections in some places affected people less than 18 years-old.
That's just one example.
Yes, everyone—especially here—was completely willing to give Joe Biden and his administration the benefit of the doubt, but then they went and lied their asses completely off about the Delta numbers and that's what caused everyone to turn their backs on them. That checks out.
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Even taking into account biases against the administration, one can have an opinion about transparency and honesty in the COVID messaging and how it relates to getting more people vaccinated.
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But Truth is essential.
Look at the Delta variant and children. As people recognize that children can get the disease, they start to rethink vaccination ages and they rethink their own status. If TPTB hadn't blown their truth wad on semi-speculation, people would believe them when they said that as many as 20% of Delta infections in some places affected people less than 18 years-old.
That's just one example.
Yes, everyone—especially here—was completely willing to give Joe Biden and his administration the benefit of the doubt, but then they went and lied their asses completely off about the Delta numbers and that's what caused everyone to turn their backs on them. That checks out.
wrote on 11 Aug 2021, 19:17 last edited by@aqua-letifer said in 10%:
But Truth is essential.
Look at the Delta variant and children. As people recognize that children can get the disease, they start to rethink vaccination ages and they rethink their own status. If TPTB hadn't blown their truth wad on semi-speculation, people would believe them when they said that as many as 20% of Delta infections in some places affected people less than 18 years-old.
That's just one example.
Yes, everyone—especially here—was completely willing to give Joe Biden and his administration the benefit of the doubt, but then they went and lied their asses completely off about the Delta numbers and that's what caused everyone to turn their backs on them. That checks out.
Dude, 100% ain't happening. Period.
And here's the nasty Truth. Even if you got 80% or more, the vaccine is ephemeral. Sisyphus is gonna be pushing this boulder up the hill a long time. Now, if you want to get your panties in a twist about who is, or isn't in the White House, be my guest. But that doesn't get the hay baled.
The Administration, any administration needs a clear, concise, truthful message. After that, you pretty much get what you get for awhile, then as people trust you and see the effectiveness of the policy you get more.
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@aqua-letifer said in 10%:
But Truth is essential.
Look at the Delta variant and children. As people recognize that children can get the disease, they start to rethink vaccination ages and they rethink their own status. If TPTB hadn't blown their truth wad on semi-speculation, people would believe them when they said that as many as 20% of Delta infections in some places affected people less than 18 years-old.
That's just one example.
Yes, everyone—especially here—was completely willing to give Joe Biden and his administration the benefit of the doubt, but then they went and lied their asses completely off about the Delta numbers and that's what caused everyone to turn their backs on them. That checks out.
Dude, 100% ain't happening. Period.
And here's the nasty Truth. Even if you got 80% or more, the vaccine is ephemeral. Sisyphus is gonna be pushing this boulder up the hill a long time. Now, if you want to get your panties in a twist about who is, or isn't in the White House, be my guest. But that doesn't get the hay baled.
The Administration, any administration needs a clear, concise, truthful message. After that, you pretty much get what you get for awhile, then as people trust you and see the effectiveness of the policy you get more.
wrote on 11 Aug 2021, 19:23 last edited by@aqua-letifer said in 10%:
But Truth is essential.
Look at the Delta variant and children. As people recognize that children can get the disease, they start to rethink vaccination ages and they rethink their own status. If TPTB hadn't blown their truth wad on semi-speculation, people would believe them when they said that as many as 20% of Delta infections in some places affected people less than 18 years-old.
That's just one example.
Yes, everyone—especially here—was completely willing to give Joe Biden and his administration the benefit of the doubt, but then they went and lied their asses completely off about the Delta numbers and that's what caused everyone to turn their backs on them. That checks out.
Dude, 100% ain't happening. Period.
And here's the nasty Truth. Even if you got 80% or more, the vaccine is ephemeral. Sisyphus is gonna be pushing this boulder up the hill a long time. Now, if you want to get your panties in a twist about who is, or isn't in the White House, be my guest. But that doesn't get the hay baled.
The Administration, any administration needs a clear, concise, truthful message. After that, you pretty much get what you get for awhile, then as people trust you and see the effectiveness of the policy you get more.
Agree with everything you said but either the vaccines help or not in hospitals being overwhelmed and deaths. While we work on trust issues do we find a way to inflect the hospitalization and death numbers?
If you were President and you had a state of the union tonight what would you say?
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@aqua-letifer said in 10%:
But Truth is essential.
Look at the Delta variant and children. As people recognize that children can get the disease, they start to rethink vaccination ages and they rethink their own status. If TPTB hadn't blown their truth wad on semi-speculation, people would believe them when they said that as many as 20% of Delta infections in some places affected people less than 18 years-old.
That's just one example.
Yes, everyone—especially here—was completely willing to give Joe Biden and his administration the benefit of the doubt, but then they went and lied their asses completely off about the Delta numbers and that's what caused everyone to turn their backs on them. That checks out.
Dude, 100% ain't happening. Period.
And here's the nasty Truth. Even if you got 80% or more, the vaccine is ephemeral. Sisyphus is gonna be pushing this boulder up the hill a long time. Now, if you want to get your panties in a twist about who is, or isn't in the White House, be my guest. But that doesn't get the hay baled.
The Administration, any administration needs a clear, concise, truthful message. After that, you pretty much get what you get for awhile, then as people trust you and see the effectiveness of the policy you get more.
Agree with everything you said but either the vaccines help or not in hospitals being overwhelmed and deaths. While we work on trust issues do we find a way to inflect the hospitalization and death numbers?
If you were President and you had a state of the union tonight what would you say?
wrote on 11 Aug 2021, 19:30 last edited by Horace 8 Nov 2021, 19:30If you were President and you had a state of the union tonight what would you say?
As messages go, I would consider shame and blame casting at the vaccine hesitant to be counter-productive. I wouldn't want to pile onto the notion that they are de facto mass murderers and destroyers of civilization. I would keep the numbers to what is true and demonstrable, and which, if true, should be sufficient to convince anybody that getting vaccinated is good for themselves and everybody else. I would attempt to establish a basic human understanding of vaccine hesitancy. Maybe I would request an intelligence briefing about the most influential anti-vax ideas out there, and respectfully refute them.