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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
    wrote on last edited by
    #31

    But Truth is essential.

    Look at the Delta variant and children. As people recognize that children can get the disease, they start to rethink vaccination ages and they rethink their own status. If TPTB hadn't blown their truth wad on semi-speculation, people would believe them when they said that as many as 20% of Delta infections in some places affected people less than 18 years-old.

    That's just one example.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      Loki
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      #32

      I think those representing the vaccine hesitant have to define the go forward plan. I do not believe I have seen that.

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      • L Loki

        I think those representing the vaccine hesitant have to define the go forward plan. I do not believe I have seen that.

        HoraceH Online
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        Horace
        wrote on last edited by
        #33

        @loki said in 10%:

        I think those representing the vaccine hesitant have to define the go forward plan. I do not believe I have seen that.

        You mean, how to craftily craft messaging that will convince them? How about not setting an impossible task and sacrificing honesty in pursuit of it, while still inevitably failing? The go forward plan that will accomplish your goal does not exist.

        Education is extremely important.

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        • HoraceH Horace

          @loki said in 10%:

          I think those representing the vaccine hesitant have to define the go forward plan. I do not believe I have seen that.

          You mean, how to craftily craft messaging that will convince them? How about not setting an impossible task and sacrificing honesty in pursuit of it, while still inevitably failing? The go forward plan that will accomplish your goal does not exist.

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          Loki
          wrote on last edited by
          #34

          @horace said in 10%:

          @loki said in 10%:

          I think those representing the vaccine hesitant have to define the go forward plan. I do not believe I have seen that.

          You mean, how to craftily craft messaging that will convince them? How about not setting an impossible task and sacrificing honesty in pursuit of it, while still inevitably failing? The go forward plan that will accomplish your goal does not exist.

          Is there an alternate plan anywhere I can look at?

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          • L Loki

            @horace said in 10%:

            @loki said in 10%:

            I think those representing the vaccine hesitant have to define the go forward plan. I do not believe I have seen that.

            You mean, how to craftily craft messaging that will convince them? How about not setting an impossible task and sacrificing honesty in pursuit of it, while still inevitably failing? The go forward plan that will accomplish your goal does not exist.

            Is there an alternate plan anywhere I can look at?

            HoraceH Online
            HoraceH Online
            Horace
            wrote on last edited by
            #35

            @loki said in 10%:

            @horace said in 10%:

            @loki said in 10%:

            I think those representing the vaccine hesitant have to define the go forward plan. I do not believe I have seen that.

            You mean, how to craftily craft messaging that will convince them? How about not setting an impossible task and sacrificing honesty in pursuit of it, while still inevitably failing? The go forward plan that will accomplish your goal does not exist.

            Is there an alternate plan anywhere I can look at?

            Sure, here you are:

            1. Say certain words
            2. ???
            3. 100% of people will be vaccinated

            Education is extremely important.

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            • HoraceH Horace

              @loki said in 10%:

              @horace said in 10%:

              @loki said in 10%:

              I think those representing the vaccine hesitant have to define the go forward plan. I do not believe I have seen that.

              You mean, how to craftily craft messaging that will convince them? How about not setting an impossible task and sacrificing honesty in pursuit of it, while still inevitably failing? The go forward plan that will accomplish your goal does not exist.

              Is there an alternate plan anywhere I can look at?

              Sure, here you are:

              1. Say certain words
              2. ???
              3. 100% of people will be vaccinated
              L Offline
              L Offline
              Loki
              wrote on last edited by
              #36

              @horace said in 10%:

              @loki said in 10%:

              @horace said in 10%:

              @loki said in 10%:

              I think those representing the vaccine hesitant have to define the go forward plan. I do not believe I have seen that.

              You mean, how to craftily craft messaging that will convince them? How about not setting an impossible task and sacrificing honesty in pursuit of it, while still inevitably failing? The go forward plan that will accomplish your goal does not exist.

              Is there an alternate plan anywhere I can look at?

              Sure, here you are:

              1. Say certain words
              2. ???
              3. 100% of people will be vaccinated

              Ok. I think we are at a dead end. I won’t pursue.

              HoraceH 1 Reply Last reply
              • L Loki

                @horace said in 10%:

                @loki said in 10%:

                @horace said in 10%:

                @loki said in 10%:

                I think those representing the vaccine hesitant have to define the go forward plan. I do not believe I have seen that.

                You mean, how to craftily craft messaging that will convince them? How about not setting an impossible task and sacrificing honesty in pursuit of it, while still inevitably failing? The go forward plan that will accomplish your goal does not exist.

                Is there an alternate plan anywhere I can look at?

                Sure, here you are:

                1. Say certain words
                2. ???
                3. 100% of people will be vaccinated

                Ok. I think we are at a dead end. I won’t pursue.

                HoraceH Online
                HoraceH Online
                Horace
                wrote on last edited by
                #37

                @loki said in 10%:

                @horace said in 10%:

                @loki said in 10%:

                @horace said in 10%:

                @loki said in 10%:

                I think those representing the vaccine hesitant have to define the go forward plan. I do not believe I have seen that.

                You mean, how to craftily craft messaging that will convince them? How about not setting an impossible task and sacrificing honesty in pursuit of it, while still inevitably failing? The go forward plan that will accomplish your goal does not exist.

                Is there an alternate plan anywhere I can look at?

                Sure, here you are:

                1. Say certain words
                2. ???
                3. 100% of people will be vaccinated

                Ok. I think we are at a dead end. I won’t pursue.

                I very clearly stated that a plan to achieve your goal does not and can not exist. From there, you’re looking at a discussion of how to improve the current plan. Some people are advocating for more honesty in messaging. You’re advocating for a plan to get us to 100% vaccination, and asking for people to point you to such a plan.

                Education is extremely important.

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                • HoraceH Horace

                  @loki said in 10%:

                  @horace said in 10%:

                  @loki said in 10%:

                  @horace said in 10%:

                  @loki said in 10%:

                  I think those representing the vaccine hesitant have to define the go forward plan. I do not believe I have seen that.

                  You mean, how to craftily craft messaging that will convince them? How about not setting an impossible task and sacrificing honesty in pursuit of it, while still inevitably failing? The go forward plan that will accomplish your goal does not exist.

                  Is there an alternate plan anywhere I can look at?

                  Sure, here you are:

                  1. Say certain words
                  2. ???
                  3. 100% of people will be vaccinated

                  Ok. I think we are at a dead end. I won’t pursue.

                  I very clearly stated that a plan to achieve your goal does not and can not exist. From there, you’re looking at a discussion of how to improve the current plan. Some people are advocating for more honesty in messaging. You’re advocating for a plan to get us to 100% vaccination, and asking for people to point you to such a plan.

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                  Loki
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #38

                  @horace said in 10%:

                  @loki said in 10%:

                  @horace said in 10%:

                  @loki said in 10%:

                  @horace said in 10%:

                  @loki said in 10%:

                  I think those representing the vaccine hesitant have to define the go forward plan. I do not believe I have seen that.

                  You mean, how to craftily craft messaging that will convince them? How about not setting an impossible task and sacrificing honesty in pursuit of it, while still inevitably failing? The go forward plan that will accomplish your goal does not exist.

                  Is there an alternate plan anywhere I can look at?

                  Sure, here you are:

                  1. Say certain words
                  2. ???
                  3. 100% of people will be vaccinated

                  Ok. I think we are at a dead end. I won’t pursue.

                  I very clearly stated that a plan to achieve your goal does not and can not exist. From there, you’re looking at a discussion of how to improve the current plan. Some people are advocating for

                  more honesty in messaging. You’re advocating for a plan to get us to 100% vaccination, and asking for people to point you to such a plan.

                  I apologize for that impression. A plan could be to stop the vaccinations and do something different, it could be to offer vaccines and a treatment option, it could be some other hybrid solution.

                  I don’t want to put words in your or anyone else mouth and I won’t presuppose what you are thinking.

                  HoraceH 1 Reply Last reply
                  • CopperC Offline
                    CopperC Offline
                    Copper
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #39

                    The USA has been polio free for about 40 years, it took us about 25 years after the vaccine to get there.

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                    • L Loki

                      @horace said in 10%:

                      @loki said in 10%:

                      @horace said in 10%:

                      @loki said in 10%:

                      @horace said in 10%:

                      @loki said in 10%:

                      I think those representing the vaccine hesitant have to define the go forward plan. I do not believe I have seen that.

                      You mean, how to craftily craft messaging that will convince them? How about not setting an impossible task and sacrificing honesty in pursuit of it, while still inevitably failing? The go forward plan that will accomplish your goal does not exist.

                      Is there an alternate plan anywhere I can look at?

                      Sure, here you are:

                      1. Say certain words
                      2. ???
                      3. 100% of people will be vaccinated

                      Ok. I think we are at a dead end. I won’t pursue.

                      I very clearly stated that a plan to achieve your goal does not and can not exist. From there, you’re looking at a discussion of how to improve the current plan. Some people are advocating for

                      more honesty in messaging. You’re advocating for a plan to get us to 100% vaccination, and asking for people to point you to such a plan.

                      I apologize for that impression. A plan could be to stop the vaccinations and do something different, it could be to offer vaccines and a treatment option, it could be some other hybrid solution.

                      I don’t want to put words in your or anyone else mouth and I won’t presuppose what you are thinking.

                      HoraceH Online
                      HoraceH Online
                      Horace
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #40

                      @loki said in 10%:

                      @horace said in 10%:

                      @loki said in 10%:

                      @horace said in 10%:

                      @loki said in 10%:

                      @horace said in 10%:

                      @loki said in 10%:

                      I think those representing the vaccine hesitant have to define the go forward plan. I do not believe I have seen that.

                      You mean, how to craftily craft messaging that will convince them? How about not setting an impossible task and sacrificing honesty in pursuit of it, while still inevitably failing? The go forward plan that will accomplish your goal does not exist.

                      Is there an alternate plan anywhere I can look at?

                      Sure, here you are:

                      1. Say certain words
                      2. ???
                      3. 100% of people will be vaccinated

                      Ok. I think we are at a dead end. I won’t pursue.

                      I very clearly stated that a plan to achieve your goal does not and can not exist. From there, you’re looking at a discussion of how to improve the current plan. Some people are advocating for

                      more honesty in messaging. You’re advocating for a plan to get us to 100% vaccination, and asking for people to point you to such a plan.

                      I apologize for that impression. A plan could be to stop the vaccinations and do something different, it could be to offer vaccines and a treatment option, it could be some other hybrid solution.

                      I don’t want to put words in your or anyone else mouth and I won’t presuppose what you are thinking.

                      Ok so, accept that more honesty from the leaders is a proposal of a plan that some people think will lead to more vaccination.

                      Education is extremely important.

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                      • CopperC Copper

                        The USA has been polio free for about 40 years, it took us about 25 years after the vaccine to get there.

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                        Doctor Phibes
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                        #41

                        @copper said in 10%:

                        The USA has been polio free for about 40 years, it took us about 25 years after the vaccine to get there.

                        Well, it only took a few years for the massive decline. After that it was waiting for the few remaining cases to fade away. The vaccine was introduced in 1955...

                        ![alt text](4d59dc47-1225-4dfb-91ed-a83bd317f965-image.png image url)

                        I was only joking

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                          Copper
                          wrote on last edited by Copper
                          #42

                          The request was for the 100% plan.

                          Mr Trump and Mr Biden have both been kind enough to give us massive declines.

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                          • CopperC Copper

                            The request was for the 100% plan.

                            Mr Trump and Mr Biden have both been kind enough to give us massive declines.

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                            Doctor Phibes
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #43

                            @copper said in 10%:

                            The request was for the 100% plan.

                            Mr Trump and Mr Biden have both been kind enough to give us massive declines.

                            Neither managed anything that looks remotely like 1964. I'd be more than happy with that.

                            I was only joking

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                            • JollyJ Jolly

                              But Truth is essential.

                              Look at the Delta variant and children. As people recognize that children can get the disease, they start to rethink vaccination ages and they rethink their own status. If TPTB hadn't blown their truth wad on semi-speculation, people would believe them when they said that as many as 20% of Delta infections in some places affected people less than 18 years-old.

                              That's just one example.

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                              Aqua LetiferA Offline
                              Aqua Letifer
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #44

                              @jolly said in 10%:

                              But Truth is essential.

                              Look at the Delta variant and children. As people recognize that children can get the disease, they start to rethink vaccination ages and they rethink their own status. If TPTB hadn't blown their truth wad on semi-speculation, people would believe them when they said that as many as 20% of Delta infections in some places affected people less than 18 years-old.

                              That's just one example.

                              Yes, everyone—especially here—was completely willing to give Joe Biden and his administration the benefit of the doubt, but then they went and lied their asses completely off about the Delta numbers and that's what caused everyone to turn their backs on them. That checks out.

                              Please love yourself.

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                                Horace
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #45

                                Even taking into account biases against the administration, one can have an opinion about transparency and honesty in the COVID messaging and how it relates to getting more people vaccinated.

                                Education is extremely important.

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                                  @jolly said in 10%:

                                  But Truth is essential.

                                  Look at the Delta variant and children. As people recognize that children can get the disease, they start to rethink vaccination ages and they rethink their own status. If TPTB hadn't blown their truth wad on semi-speculation, people would believe them when they said that as many as 20% of Delta infections in some places affected people less than 18 years-old.

                                  That's just one example.

                                  Yes, everyone—especially here—was completely willing to give Joe Biden and his administration the benefit of the doubt, but then they went and lied their asses completely off about the Delta numbers and that's what caused everyone to turn their backs on them. That checks out.

                                  JollyJ Offline
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                                  Jolly
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #46

                                  @aqua-letifer said in 10%:

                                  @jolly said in 10%:

                                  But Truth is essential.

                                  Look at the Delta variant and children. As people recognize that children can get the disease, they start to rethink vaccination ages and they rethink their own status. If TPTB hadn't blown their truth wad on semi-speculation, people would believe them when they said that as many as 20% of Delta infections in some places affected people less than 18 years-old.

                                  That's just one example.

                                  Yes, everyone—especially here—was completely willing to give Joe Biden and his administration the benefit of the doubt, but then they went and lied their asses completely off about the Delta numbers and that's what caused everyone to turn their backs on them. That checks out.

                                  Dude, 100% ain't happening. Period.

                                  And here's the nasty Truth. Even if you got 80% or more, the vaccine is ephemeral. Sisyphus is gonna be pushing this boulder up the hill a long time. Now, if you want to get your panties in a twist about who is, or isn't in the White House, be my guest. But that doesn't get the hay baled.

                                  The Administration, any administration needs a clear, concise, truthful message. After that, you pretty much get what you get for awhile, then as people trust you and see the effectiveness of the policy you get more.

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  • JollyJ Jolly

                                    @aqua-letifer said in 10%:

                                    @jolly said in 10%:

                                    But Truth is essential.

                                    Look at the Delta variant and children. As people recognize that children can get the disease, they start to rethink vaccination ages and they rethink their own status. If TPTB hadn't blown their truth wad on semi-speculation, people would believe them when they said that as many as 20% of Delta infections in some places affected people less than 18 years-old.

                                    That's just one example.

                                    Yes, everyone—especially here—was completely willing to give Joe Biden and his administration the benefit of the doubt, but then they went and lied their asses completely off about the Delta numbers and that's what caused everyone to turn their backs on them. That checks out.

                                    Dude, 100% ain't happening. Period.

                                    And here's the nasty Truth. Even if you got 80% or more, the vaccine is ephemeral. Sisyphus is gonna be pushing this boulder up the hill a long time. Now, if you want to get your panties in a twist about who is, or isn't in the White House, be my guest. But that doesn't get the hay baled.

                                    The Administration, any administration needs a clear, concise, truthful message. After that, you pretty much get what you get for awhile, then as people trust you and see the effectiveness of the policy you get more.

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                                    Loki
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #47

                                    @jolly said in 10%:

                                    @aqua-letifer said in 10%:

                                    @jolly said in 10%:

                                    But Truth is essential.

                                    Look at the Delta variant and children. As people recognize that children can get the disease, they start to rethink vaccination ages and they rethink their own status. If TPTB hadn't blown their truth wad on semi-speculation, people would believe them when they said that as many as 20% of Delta infections in some places affected people less than 18 years-old.

                                    That's just one example.

                                    Yes, everyone—especially here—was completely willing to give Joe Biden and his administration the benefit of the doubt, but then they went and lied their asses completely off about the Delta numbers and that's what caused everyone to turn their backs on them. That checks out.

                                    Dude, 100% ain't happening. Period.

                                    And here's the nasty Truth. Even if you got 80% or more, the vaccine is ephemeral. Sisyphus is gonna be pushing this boulder up the hill a long time. Now, if you want to get your panties in a twist about who is, or isn't in the White House, be my guest. But that doesn't get the hay baled.

                                    The Administration, any administration needs a clear, concise, truthful message. After that, you pretty much get what you get for awhile, then as people trust you and see the effectiveness of the policy you get more.

                                    Agree with everything you said but either the vaccines help or not in hospitals being overwhelmed and deaths. While we work on trust issues do we find a way to inflect the hospitalization and death numbers?

                                    If you were President and you had a state of the union tonight what would you say?

                                    HoraceH 1 Reply Last reply
                                    • L Loki

                                      @jolly said in 10%:

                                      @aqua-letifer said in 10%:

                                      @jolly said in 10%:

                                      But Truth is essential.

                                      Look at the Delta variant and children. As people recognize that children can get the disease, they start to rethink vaccination ages and they rethink their own status. If TPTB hadn't blown their truth wad on semi-speculation, people would believe them when they said that as many as 20% of Delta infections in some places affected people less than 18 years-old.

                                      That's just one example.

                                      Yes, everyone—especially here—was completely willing to give Joe Biden and his administration the benefit of the doubt, but then they went and lied their asses completely off about the Delta numbers and that's what caused everyone to turn their backs on them. That checks out.

                                      Dude, 100% ain't happening. Period.

                                      And here's the nasty Truth. Even if you got 80% or more, the vaccine is ephemeral. Sisyphus is gonna be pushing this boulder up the hill a long time. Now, if you want to get your panties in a twist about who is, or isn't in the White House, be my guest. But that doesn't get the hay baled.

                                      The Administration, any administration needs a clear, concise, truthful message. After that, you pretty much get what you get for awhile, then as people trust you and see the effectiveness of the policy you get more.

                                      Agree with everything you said but either the vaccines help or not in hospitals being overwhelmed and deaths. While we work on trust issues do we find a way to inflect the hospitalization and death numbers?

                                      If you were President and you had a state of the union tonight what would you say?

                                      HoraceH Online
                                      HoraceH Online
                                      Horace
                                      wrote on last edited by Horace
                                      #48

                                      @loki said in 10%:

                                      If you were President and you had a state of the union tonight what would you say?

                                      As messages go, I would consider shame and blame casting at the vaccine hesitant to be counter-productive. I wouldn't want to pile onto the notion that they are de facto mass murderers and destroyers of civilization. I would keep the numbers to what is true and demonstrable, and which, if true, should be sufficient to convince anybody that getting vaccinated is good for themselves and everybody else. I would attempt to establish a basic human understanding of vaccine hesitancy. Maybe I would request an intelligence briefing about the most influential anti-vax ideas out there, and respectfully refute them.

                                      Education is extremely important.

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