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@doctor-phibes said in 10%:
If only they could all be as honest as Donald Trump, right Jolly?
Listen, you dumb, drunken sheep fucker...I gave you a pretty good insight into why some things are happening in fly-over country. And you come in with a powerful and pithy statement.
Tell ya what you do...Spread some peanut butter on your balls and call the dog in to lick it off, and then piss off, mate. That way, we'll both be happy.
Help me, to help you.
@doctor-phibes said in 10%:
If only they could all be as honest as Donald Trump, right Jolly?
Listen, you dumb, drunken sheep fucker...I gave you a pretty good insight into why some things are happening in fly-over country. And you come in with a powerful and pithy statement.
Tell ya what you do...Spread some peanut butter on your balls and call the dog in to lick it off, and then piss off, mate. That way, we'll both be happy.
Help me, to help you.
OK, fair enough
I do take your point about lack of trust, however it seems to me that partisanship is also part of it, hence my powerful and pithy statement,
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I agree that the regulatory “bank shots” are a bad idea and counterproductive in the end.
And infantilizing.
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I agree that the regulatory “bank shots” are a bad idea and counterproductive in the end.
And infantilizing.
What do you see as the best path?
I suppose it depends on how one measures the cost of dishonesty and erosion of public trust and respect, against the value of manipulating innumerate or credulous vaccine-hesitant folk into getting vaccinated. It's a difficult question to answer, but there is always something to be said for transparent honesty in messaging. Actually, the value of transparent honesty in messaging is about the only unambiguous thing in the whole equation. But the temptation to bend the truth, in the hopes it'll get more people vaccinated, is always there...
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But Truth is essential.
Look at the Delta variant and children. As people recognize that children can get the disease, they start to rethink vaccination ages and they rethink their own status. If TPTB hadn't blown their truth wad on semi-speculation, people would believe them when they said that as many as 20% of Delta infections in some places affected people less than 18 years-old.
That's just one example.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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I think those representing the vaccine hesitant have to define the go forward plan. I do not believe I have seen that.
I think those representing the vaccine hesitant have to define the go forward plan. I do not believe I have seen that.
You mean, how to craftily craft messaging that will convince them? How about not setting an impossible task and sacrificing honesty in pursuit of it, while still inevitably failing? The go forward plan that will accomplish your goal does not exist.
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I think those representing the vaccine hesitant have to define the go forward plan. I do not believe I have seen that.
You mean, how to craftily craft messaging that will convince them? How about not setting an impossible task and sacrificing honesty in pursuit of it, while still inevitably failing? The go forward plan that will accomplish your goal does not exist.
I think those representing the vaccine hesitant have to define the go forward plan. I do not believe I have seen that.
You mean, how to craftily craft messaging that will convince them? How about not setting an impossible task and sacrificing honesty in pursuit of it, while still inevitably failing? The go forward plan that will accomplish your goal does not exist.
Is there an alternate plan anywhere I can look at?
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I think those representing the vaccine hesitant have to define the go forward plan. I do not believe I have seen that.
You mean, how to craftily craft messaging that will convince them? How about not setting an impossible task and sacrificing honesty in pursuit of it, while still inevitably failing? The go forward plan that will accomplish your goal does not exist.
Is there an alternate plan anywhere I can look at?
I think those representing the vaccine hesitant have to define the go forward plan. I do not believe I have seen that.
You mean, how to craftily craft messaging that will convince them? How about not setting an impossible task and sacrificing honesty in pursuit of it, while still inevitably failing? The go forward plan that will accomplish your goal does not exist.
Is there an alternate plan anywhere I can look at?
Sure, here you are:
- Say certain words
- ???
- 100% of people will be vaccinated
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I think those representing the vaccine hesitant have to define the go forward plan. I do not believe I have seen that.
You mean, how to craftily craft messaging that will convince them? How about not setting an impossible task and sacrificing honesty in pursuit of it, while still inevitably failing? The go forward plan that will accomplish your goal does not exist.
Is there an alternate plan anywhere I can look at?
Sure, here you are:
- Say certain words
- ???
- 100% of people will be vaccinated
I think those representing the vaccine hesitant have to define the go forward plan. I do not believe I have seen that.
You mean, how to craftily craft messaging that will convince them? How about not setting an impossible task and sacrificing honesty in pursuit of it, while still inevitably failing? The go forward plan that will accomplish your goal does not exist.
Is there an alternate plan anywhere I can look at?
Sure, here you are:
- Say certain words
- ???
- 100% of people will be vaccinated
Ok. I think we are at a dead end. I won’t pursue.
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I think those representing the vaccine hesitant have to define the go forward plan. I do not believe I have seen that.
You mean, how to craftily craft messaging that will convince them? How about not setting an impossible task and sacrificing honesty in pursuit of it, while still inevitably failing? The go forward plan that will accomplish your goal does not exist.
Is there an alternate plan anywhere I can look at?
Sure, here you are:
- Say certain words
- ???
- 100% of people will be vaccinated
Ok. I think we are at a dead end. I won’t pursue.
I think those representing the vaccine hesitant have to define the go forward plan. I do not believe I have seen that.
You mean, how to craftily craft messaging that will convince them? How about not setting an impossible task and sacrificing honesty in pursuit of it, while still inevitably failing? The go forward plan that will accomplish your goal does not exist.
Is there an alternate plan anywhere I can look at?
Sure, here you are:
- Say certain words
- ???
- 100% of people will be vaccinated
Ok. I think we are at a dead end. I won’t pursue.
I very clearly stated that a plan to achieve your goal does not and can not exist. From there, you’re looking at a discussion of how to improve the current plan. Some people are advocating for more honesty in messaging. You’re advocating for a plan to get us to 100% vaccination, and asking for people to point you to such a plan.
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I think those representing the vaccine hesitant have to define the go forward plan. I do not believe I have seen that.
You mean, how to craftily craft messaging that will convince them? How about not setting an impossible task and sacrificing honesty in pursuit of it, while still inevitably failing? The go forward plan that will accomplish your goal does not exist.
Is there an alternate plan anywhere I can look at?
Sure, here you are:
- Say certain words
- ???
- 100% of people will be vaccinated
Ok. I think we are at a dead end. I won’t pursue.
I very clearly stated that a plan to achieve your goal does not and can not exist. From there, you’re looking at a discussion of how to improve the current plan. Some people are advocating for more honesty in messaging. You’re advocating for a plan to get us to 100% vaccination, and asking for people to point you to such a plan.
I think those representing the vaccine hesitant have to define the go forward plan. I do not believe I have seen that.
You mean, how to craftily craft messaging that will convince them? How about not setting an impossible task and sacrificing honesty in pursuit of it, while still inevitably failing? The go forward plan that will accomplish your goal does not exist.
Is there an alternate plan anywhere I can look at?
Sure, here you are:
- Say certain words
- ???
- 100% of people will be vaccinated
Ok. I think we are at a dead end. I won’t pursue.
I very clearly stated that a plan to achieve your goal does not and can not exist. From there, you’re looking at a discussion of how to improve the current plan. Some people are advocating for
more honesty in messaging. You’re advocating for a plan to get us to 100% vaccination, and asking for people to point you to such a plan.
I apologize for that impression. A plan could be to stop the vaccinations and do something different, it could be to offer vaccines and a treatment option, it could be some other hybrid solution.
I don’t want to put words in your or anyone else mouth and I won’t presuppose what you are thinking.
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I think those representing the vaccine hesitant have to define the go forward plan. I do not believe I have seen that.
You mean, how to craftily craft messaging that will convince them? How about not setting an impossible task and sacrificing honesty in pursuit of it, while still inevitably failing? The go forward plan that will accomplish your goal does not exist.
Is there an alternate plan anywhere I can look at?
Sure, here you are:
- Say certain words
- ???
- 100% of people will be vaccinated
Ok. I think we are at a dead end. I won’t pursue.
I very clearly stated that a plan to achieve your goal does not and can not exist. From there, you’re looking at a discussion of how to improve the current plan. Some people are advocating for
more honesty in messaging. You’re advocating for a plan to get us to 100% vaccination, and asking for people to point you to such a plan.
I apologize for that impression. A plan could be to stop the vaccinations and do something different, it could be to offer vaccines and a treatment option, it could be some other hybrid solution.
I don’t want to put words in your or anyone else mouth and I won’t presuppose what you are thinking.
I think those representing the vaccine hesitant have to define the go forward plan. I do not believe I have seen that.
You mean, how to craftily craft messaging that will convince them? How about not setting an impossible task and sacrificing honesty in pursuit of it, while still inevitably failing? The go forward plan that will accomplish your goal does not exist.
Is there an alternate plan anywhere I can look at?
Sure, here you are:
- Say certain words
- ???
- 100% of people will be vaccinated
Ok. I think we are at a dead end. I won’t pursue.
I very clearly stated that a plan to achieve your goal does not and can not exist. From there, you’re looking at a discussion of how to improve the current plan. Some people are advocating for
more honesty in messaging. You’re advocating for a plan to get us to 100% vaccination, and asking for people to point you to such a plan.
I apologize for that impression. A plan could be to stop the vaccinations and do something different, it could be to offer vaccines and a treatment option, it could be some other hybrid solution.
I don’t want to put words in your or anyone else mouth and I won’t presuppose what you are thinking.
Ok so, accept that more honesty from the leaders is a proposal of a plan that some people think will lead to more vaccination.
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The USA has been polio free for about 40 years, it took us about 25 years after the vaccine to get there.
The USA has been polio free for about 40 years, it took us about 25 years after the vaccine to get there.
Well, it only took a few years for the massive decline. After that it was waiting for the few remaining cases to fade away. The vaccine was introduced in 1955...
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The request was for the 100% plan.
Mr Trump and Mr Biden have both been kind enough to give us massive declines.
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But Truth is essential.
Look at the Delta variant and children. As people recognize that children can get the disease, they start to rethink vaccination ages and they rethink their own status. If TPTB hadn't blown their truth wad on semi-speculation, people would believe them when they said that as many as 20% of Delta infections in some places affected people less than 18 years-old.
That's just one example.
But Truth is essential.
Look at the Delta variant and children. As people recognize that children can get the disease, they start to rethink vaccination ages and they rethink their own status. If TPTB hadn't blown their truth wad on semi-speculation, people would believe them when they said that as many as 20% of Delta infections in some places affected people less than 18 years-old.
That's just one example.
Yes, everyone—especially here—was completely willing to give Joe Biden and his administration the benefit of the doubt, but then they went and lied their asses completely off about the Delta numbers and that's what caused everyone to turn their backs on them. That checks out.
Please love yourself.
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But Truth is essential.
Look at the Delta variant and children. As people recognize that children can get the disease, they start to rethink vaccination ages and they rethink their own status. If TPTB hadn't blown their truth wad on semi-speculation, people would believe them when they said that as many as 20% of Delta infections in some places affected people less than 18 years-old.
That's just one example.
Yes, everyone—especially here—was completely willing to give Joe Biden and his administration the benefit of the doubt, but then they went and lied their asses completely off about the Delta numbers and that's what caused everyone to turn their backs on them. That checks out.
@aqua-letifer said in 10%:
But Truth is essential.
Look at the Delta variant and children. As people recognize that children can get the disease, they start to rethink vaccination ages and they rethink their own status. If TPTB hadn't blown their truth wad on semi-speculation, people would believe them when they said that as many as 20% of Delta infections in some places affected people less than 18 years-old.
That's just one example.
Yes, everyone—especially here—was completely willing to give Joe Biden and his administration the benefit of the doubt, but then they went and lied their asses completely off about the Delta numbers and that's what caused everyone to turn their backs on them. That checks out.
Dude, 100% ain't happening. Period.
And here's the nasty Truth. Even if you got 80% or more, the vaccine is ephemeral. Sisyphus is gonna be pushing this boulder up the hill a long time. Now, if you want to get your panties in a twist about who is, or isn't in the White House, be my guest. But that doesn't get the hay baled.
The Administration, any administration needs a clear, concise, truthful message. After that, you pretty much get what you get for awhile, then as people trust you and see the effectiveness of the policy you get more.
