The truth is out there - Conspiracies
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You mean the vaccine that in 6 mo tbs has gone from "the vaccine will end the pandemic" to "You can still get covid even if you've been vaccinated" to "You can pass covid on to others even if you've been vaccinated" to "You can still die from covid even if you've been vaccinated" to "the unvaccinated are killing the vaccinated"?
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@lufins-dad he's always been a bit of a conspiracy-theory guy. Although he and I agree on political things, for the most part, this kind of stuff really bothers me. He is now retired, so at worst, he's talking to his friends, who may give credibility for his education and experience.
He and I talked on the phone about a week ago, and he started throwing out these numbers, and I pointed out that the risks of not being vaccinated. He dismissed it, of course. I commented on the mandatory (if you want your kids in school) vaccinations for measles, etc., and he reverted to the "EUA" argument.
I gave up after a while.
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@larry said in The truth is out there:
You mean the vaccine that in 6 mo tbs has gone from "the vaccine will end the pandemic" to "You can still get covid even if you've been vaccinated" to "You can pass covid on to others even if you've been vaccinated" to "You can still die from covid even if you've been vaccinated" to "the unvaccinated are killing the vaccinated"?
Yeah, that one. The one that's more effective than the flu shot you get yearly, the one that's more effective than the mumps/measels vaccine.
That one.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@george-k said in The truth is out there:
@larry said in The truth is out there:
You mean the vaccine that in 6 mo tbs has gone from "the vaccine will end the pandemic" to "You can still get covid even if you've been vaccinated" to "You can pass covid on to others even if you've been vaccinated" to "You can still die from covid even if you've been vaccinated" to "the unvaccinated are killing the vaccinated"?
Yeah, that one. The one that's more effective than the flu shot you get yearly, the one that's more effective than the mumps/measels vaccine.
That one.
Speaking of the flu vaccine, would any of our resident medical experts care to hazard a guess why the flu vaccine seems to help prevent severe COVID?
Me/rry/Christmas
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@lufins-dad said in The truth is out there:
would any of our resident medical experts
I'm not a doctor, but I'm pretty sure it's do with the immune system and other stuff. Probably prions. Also, it's idiopathic.
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@george-k said in The truth is out there:
@larry said in The truth is out there:
You mean the vaccine that in 6 mo tbs has gone from "the vaccine will end the pandemic" to "You can still get covid even if you've been vaccinated" to "You can pass covid on to others even if you've been vaccinated" to "You can still die from covid even if you've been vaccinated" to "the unvaccinated are killing the vaccinated"?
Yeah, that one. The one that's more effective than the flu shot you get yearly, the one that's more effective than the mumps/measels vaccine.
That one.
Oh, ok.... i took tha.t one....
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Again, I'm just linking stuff that my friend is sending.
Reposting is not agreement!
The FDA approved the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine this week but one expert in the field is asserting that the vaccine that has been being given to people and is under Emergency Use Authorization and the vaccine that now enjoys “FDA approval” are not the same.
Dr. Robert Malone, inventor of the mRNA technology behind the COVID vaccines, spoke with Steve Bannon, host of the popular podcast the War Room, and said that the FDA approved shot and the EUA shot are not one in the same.
Bannon asked, is the “authorized” vaccine now ready to be administered to patients?
“It’s absolutely not available,” Malone explained. “The little trick that they’ve done here is that they’ve issued two letters, separate letters for two separate vaccines. The Pfizer vaccine which is what is currently available, is still under emergency use authorization, and it still has the liability shield.”
He added, “The product that’s licensed is the BioNTech product which is substantially similar but not necessarily identical. It’s called Comirnaty… and it’s not yet available. They haven’t started manufacturing it or labeling it and that’s the one that the liability waiver will no longer apply.”
“So the one that’s actually licensed is not yet available and when it does become available it will no longer have the liability shield.”
Dr. Malone has previously warned that Americans have not been provided with enough information to decide whether or not to take the chances on getting the experimental COVID vaccines. He says we just don’t know if the supposed benefits outweigh the risks.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@george-k said in The truth is out there:
Again, I'm just linking stuff that my friend is sending.
Reposting is not agreement!
The FDA approved the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine this week but one expert in the field is asserting that the vaccine that has been being given to people and is under Emergency Use Authorization and the vaccine that now enjoys “FDA approval” are not the same.
Dr. Robert Malone, inventor of the mRNA technology behind the COVID vaccines, spoke with Steve Bannon, host of the popular podcast the War Room, and said that the FDA approved shot and the EUA shot are not one in the same.
Bannon asked, is the “authorized” vaccine now ready to be administered to patients?
“It’s absolutely not available,” Malone explained. “The little trick that they’ve done here is that they’ve issued two letters, separate letters for two separate vaccines. The Pfizer vaccine which is what is currently available, is still under emergency use authorization, and it still has the liability shield.”
He added, “The product that’s licensed is the BioNTech product which is substantially similar but not necessarily identical. It’s called Comirnaty… and it’s not yet available. They haven’t started manufacturing it or labeling it and that’s the one that the liability waiver will no longer apply.”
“So the one that’s actually licensed is not yet available and when it does become available it will no longer have the liability shield.”
Dr. Malone has previously warned that Americans have not been provided with enough information to decide whether or not to take the chances on getting the experimental COVID vaccines. He says we just don’t know if the supposed benefits outweigh the risks.
I heard this one last night from my wife’s cousin who is an x-Ray tech and vehemently against taking these vaccines (though she does seem open to future vaccines). I didn’t even have a clue as to how to dispute it.
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All these arguments sound a lot like the 9-11 conspiracy folks. It's not worth engaging - as somebody here once said, you'll find that you've just wasted 3 hours researching the melting point and properties of steel, and when you get back to them they've not just moved the goal-posts, they've erected a whole new stadium.
I'm no expert, but...
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@doctor-phibes said in The truth is out there:
It's not worth engaging
Is it possible that someone could find any valid fault with one of the covid vaccines?
Just theoretically possible I mean.
I can't imagine any flaws in real life.
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@copper said in The truth is out there:
@doctor-phibes said in The truth is out there:
It's not worth engaging
Is it possible that someone could find any valid fault with one of the covid vaccines?
Just theoretically possible I mean.
I can't imagine any flaws in real life.
Of course it's possible. Everything has flaws. That's not the point. Like I said, it's our best chance.
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Good lord (sent to me this morning):
‘There is no product in human history that has ever created such a swathe of injuries to the public’
Following the recent decision of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to give its approval to the Pfizer-developed COVID-19 vaccine, doctors and medical experts from the Truth for Health Foundation convened to warn the public against the dangers of the shots that the FDA is not publishing.
The third meeting in the “Stop the Shot” series, broadcast on LifeSiteNews August 26, brought together experts from around the world to discuss the safety record of the newly approved Pfizer vaccine, as well as its market competitors, with the purpose of forming “a citizens’ safety review board on the COVID vaccine.”
“We are stepping up to serve the public,” Truth for Health president and CEO Dr. Elizabeth Lee Vliet, M.D., said, “because the CDC [U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention] and FDA have failed to evaluate updated safety information that has been coming to light since these experimental shots were launched.”
Vliet added that these bodies “have failed to report to the public accurate information about medical risks and complications, and the rising deaths that have occurred since the experimental COVID shots were launched.”
Dr. Peter McCullough, M.D., is the chief medical adviser to the Truth for Health Foundation as well as a cardiologist, epidemiologist, and professor of medicine. Appearing at the conference, McCullough criticized the FDA and CDC for failing to produce an adequate safety review of the COVID jabs they have sponsored and that subsequently have been mandated by “40 percent of the top five hundred companies.”
“Americans have questions,” he said, which is why the Truth for Health Foundation is setting up its own “citizens’ safety review board.”
The renowned physician explained that he has chaired over 24 data safety monitoring boards for the National Institutes of Health (NIH), “big pharmaceutical and device committees, and multiple different divisions of federal agencies.” With his experience on these health product safety boards, coupled with the latest data showing Pfizer’s jab to have a 42 percent efficacy level, McCullough noted that “at this point in time, the lead vaccine that’s up for full approval has failed.”
Accordingly, “Americans have been asked on faith to sign up and take one of these vaccines with no information, with a minimal informed consent,” correlating with over 500,000 vaccine injuries, the doctor said.
“These injuries fall into very serious categories,” he continued. “Over 12,000 certified deaths by the CDC, over 200,000 composite deaths, hospitalizations, urgent care visits, and office visits. A staggering number of myocardial infarctions, strokes, and over 4,000 cases of myocarditis, a heart inflammation in young individuals. Permanent damage to the neurologic systems, hematologic systems, immunologic systems.”
Edit to add: As I've said, I don't agree with more than 99% of what he's sending me. I just find it sad that this guy, whom I've known since 1989, a good surgeon, a smart guy, is trolling for stuff like this.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@george-k said in The truth is out there:
Edit to add: As I've said, I don't agree with more than 99% of what he's sending me. I just find it sad that this guy, whom I've known since 1989, a good surgeon, a smart guy, is trolling for stuff like this.
The Psychology of Pandemics. This stuff is gonna happen.
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As I said elsewhere, VAERS was the single worst idea in the history of dumbass ideas.
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It was only a matter of time before he linked InfoWars:
FDA Vaccine Panel Comes Out Against Deadly Injections
FDA’s Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee after 8 hours of testimony voted 16-2 against Joe Biden’s proposed COVID-19 booster shot program.
During that hearing, Dr. Steve Kirsch, director of the COVID-19 Early Treatment Fund, claimed that the injections are killing more people than they’re helping.
“I’m going to focus my remarks today on the elephant in the room that nobody likes to talk about: that the vaccines kill more people than they save,” Kirsch said via teleconference.
“Today, we focus almost exclusively on COVID death saves and vaccine efficacy because we were led to believe that vaccines were perfectly safe. But this is simply not true.”
“For example, there are four times as many heart attacks in the treatment group in the Pfizer 6-month trial report,” Kirsch continued. “That wasn’t bad luck. VAERS shows heart attacks happened 71x more often following these vaccines compared to any other vaccine.”
“In all 20 people died who got the drug, 14 died who got the placebo. Few people noticed that. If the net all-cause mortality from the vaccine is negative, vaccines, boosters, and mandates are all nonsensical.”
“Even if the vaccines had a 100% protection, it still means we killed two people to save one life,” he added.
Kirsch also explained that in nursing home death data shows about half the vaccinated died, while none of the unvaccinated died.
Viral immunologist and biologist Dr. Jessica Rose noted that, based on the VAERS data, the vaccine risks outweigh the benefits in young people, especially children, pointing to a thousand-fold increase in adverse reactions to the injection in 2021 compared to over the last decade.
“There’s an over 1000% increase in the total number of adverse events for 2021 and we are not done with 2021,” Rose said.
Rose also said the data suggests the COVID vaccines are driving the surge of COVID mutations like the “alpha” and “delta” variants.
“The emergence of both of these variants and their subsequent clustering arose in very close temporal proximity to the rollout of the COVID products in Israel,” she said.
“Israel is one of the most injected countries, and it appears from this data that this represents a clear failure of these products to provided protective immunity against emergent variants and to prevent transmission,” she added.
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How can any rational person use Infowars to support an argument? The owner of the website's legal defence was 'this stuff is so ridiculous that no reasonable person would believe what he says'?
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@doctor-phibes said in The truth is out there:
How can any rational person use Infowars to support an argument?
You took the words right out of my keyboard, Phibes.
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@doctor-phibes said in The truth is out there:
How can any rational person use Infowars to support an argument? The owner of the website's legal defence was 'this stuff is so ridiculous that no reasonable person would believe what he says'?
I can almost, almost, understand the concept that the vaccine is driving mutations, but that argument is no reason to not vaccinate.
Because polio.
