Meanwhile, in Wisconsin...
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@loki said in Meanwhile, in Wisconsin...:
administration was not brave but tossed the potentially hot potato.
Yep this is how the stupid proliferates. Nobody wants to get canceled, so they do asinine things. It's why all the dumbest ideas in American culture are to do with race and racism. Because everybody has a gun to their head. Don't pretend to have a coherent thought about this, or else.
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@horace said in Meanwhile, in Wisconsin...:
@loki said in Meanwhile, in Wisconsin...:
administration was not brave but tossed the potentially hot potato.
Yep this is how the stupid proliferates. Nobody wants to get canceled, so they do asinine things. It's why all the dumbest ideas in American culture are to do with race and racism. Because everybody has a gun to their head. Don't pretend to have a coherent thought about this, or else.
No argument from me. I often do hear that CRT is not really a thing and it is a made up convention by the right wing. To that point I share the CRT poster that was put out around the Smithonsian for a couple of days before retracted. Those people I have talked to about CRT hadn’t seen it and are a bit stumped.
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@loki said in Meanwhile, in Wisconsin...:
@horace said in Meanwhile, in Wisconsin...:
@loki said in Meanwhile, in Wisconsin...:
administration was not brave but tossed the potentially hot potato.
Yep this is how the stupid proliferates. Nobody wants to get canceled, so they do asinine things. It's why all the dumbest ideas in American culture are to do with race and racism. Because everybody has a gun to their head. Don't pretend to have a coherent thought about this, or else.
No argument from me. I often do hear that CRT is not really a thing and it is a made up convention by the right wing. To that point I share the CRT poster that was put out around the Smithonsian for a couple of days before retracted. Those people I have talked to about CRT hadn’t seen it and are a bit stumped.
The left wants to disavow CRT and marginalize anybody with an issue with it as an ignorant conspiracy theorist. Meanwhile they are very intentionally smuggling in very bad ideas about race and identity politics into the schools and the culture.
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I honestly don't know what CRT is. I haven't seen anybody explain it adequately, other than to say it's an acceptance that there is systemic racism, which isn't particularly shocking.
I tried looking it up on Wikipedia but totally lost interest about 2 lines in. To be fair, that happens a lot.
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@doctor-phibes I don't know what it is, either. I don't care what it is. It appears to have Horace's observation that "all the dumbest ideas in American culture are to do with race and racism" all over it. It's pointless water cooler palaver IMO.
Life's too short.
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Meanwhile, a fan at a Colorado Rockies game yelled the mascot's name, Dinger, to get attention and maybe some jumbotron screen time. Someone misheard him, thought he said the Naughty word, and it made national news. Welcome to America!!
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/09/sport/colorado-rockies-baseball-racial-slur/index.html
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@doctor-phibes said in Meanwhile, in Wisconsin...:
I honestly don't know what CRT is. I haven't seen anybody explain it adequately, other than to say it's an acceptance that there is systemic racism, which isn't particularly shocking.
I tried looking it up on Wikipedia but totally lost interest about 2 lines in. To be fair, that happens a lot.
White people are bad
Especially you
That is the basics
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@doctor-phibes said in Meanwhile, in Wisconsin...:
I honestly don't know what CRT is. I haven't seen anybody explain it adequately, other than to say it's an acceptance that there is systemic racism, which isn't particularly shocking.
I tried looking it up on Wikipedia but totally lost interest about 2 lines in. To be fair, that happens a lot.
State of the art leftist messaging would have you be exactly this confused about what CRT is. It would also have you roll your eyes at anybody who questions whether it should be taught in schools. Meanwhile, pre-teen kids are being taught the paranoid identitarianism of Ibram X Kendi, for instance, as we speak.
Specific discussions about CRT aren't yet within the Overton window of adults, so the left wants to avoid the discussions for now. Thus the blatant marginalization of anybody who tries. Someday they'll feel safer shedding some light on the "ideas" (term used loosely), as the indoctrinated kids become the adults.
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Thanks for all that.
I still don't know what it is.
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@doctor-phibes said in Meanwhile, in Wisconsin...:
I still don't know what it is.
Watch Ben Shapiro explain it on Maher's show.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@george-k said in Meanwhile, in Wisconsin...:
@doctor-phibes said in Meanwhile, in Wisconsin...:
I still don't know what it is.
Watch Ben Shapiro explain it on Maher's show.
Well, he kind of says 'it's all very complicated, but in a nutshell...' so it's a bit like the idiots guide to quantum mechanics, except of course it's not actually as complicated as quantum mechanics
I actually made it through the explanation, even though I found all three of them to extremely annoying.
I remain totally unconvinced that is what my kids have been learning in school.
I'm no expert, but...
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@doctor-phibes said in Meanwhile, in Wisconsin...:
I remain totally unconvinced that is what my kids have been learning in school.
Perhaps you should ask your kids, or (gasp) the school?
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@george-k said in Meanwhile, in Wisconsin...:
@doctor-phibes said in Meanwhile, in Wisconsin...:
I remain totally unconvinced that is what my kids have been learning in school.
Perhaps you should ask your kids, or (gasp) the school?
I do speak to my kids - my daughter just got her AP US history - she scored a 5!. I didn't hear much that sounded particularly sinister.
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@doctor-phibes said in Meanwhile, in Wisconsin...:
Thanks for all that.
I still don't know what it is.
Really
White people are bad
That’s it
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@doctor-phibes said in Meanwhile, in Wisconsin...:
Thanks for all that.
I still don't know what it is.
Well, Loudoun County Public Schools isn’t teaching CRT. They have made that clear. What they are teaching is that our school district is inherently racist and the evidence is in the outcomes of their students by race.
I looked up the numbers. Students are graduating LCPS at 96.8% clip. African Americans are graduating at a 96.9% rate, higher than the district average. SEE THE ENDEMIC RACISM?!
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@doctor-phibes said in Meanwhile, in Wisconsin...:
Thanks for all that.
I still don't know what it is.
On a recent podcast, two of the most respected and influential mainstream CRT academics discussed CRT with Ezra Klein (founder of Vox). I hope you'll allow that these people have a foothold in pop culture, considering one of them, a Ms Hannah Jones, is the architect of the NYT's much lauded 1619 Project, and the other, Ta-Nahesi Coates, is probably the most famous Black Studies intellectual in America.
Here's what I said about it in another thread.
In the Ezra Klein podcast, the other race baiter, Nicole Hannah-Jones of the 1619 project, claimed, in this serious intellectual discussion, that our media has dropped the ball in its obligation to talk about race and be on the correct, moral side of those discussions. The 1619 project is her example of media doing it right.
So, for those of us trying to triangulate what a lefty might actually have in their heads while they refuse to take discussions of CRT seriously, the 1619 project may be a good example. They can admit that they take that seriously, at least.
Ms Hannah-Jones says that all public figures and thinkers are bankrupt unless they realize that race is the primary organizing factor in America's political life. I bet some of you thought I was exaggerating when I told you that mainstream leftist thought was that race underpins all of American politics. Nope.
I bet Ms Hannah-Jones lacks the self-awareness to realize that she thinks that because it means she automatically wins all discussions due to her genetically endowed virtue. Which is to say, I don't think she's an intentionally manipulative douche. She's just a bog-standard human being, seeking and claiming advantage wherever she can, in her social climbing lifestyle. As it happens, this particular opportunism is socially encouraged, and even enforced, by the indoctrinated masses.
Here is more:
My take-home points from this cutting edge intellectual discussion about race, between three of the smartest, most racially educated people in the country:
- American history is about the black experience.
- Jefferson and Washington were good in some ways but also bad slave owners.
- The ignorant backlash against CRT is predicated on white people being afraid of losing their power.
- White people were deeply unsettled when Obama got elected (twice), and thus elected Trump. (Lots of talk about Trump, that he established that America is racist, and that he was a direct response by white Americans having been offended by having a black president.)
- America does not live up to its ideals and it is absurd for anybody to consider America to have any moral authority vis a vis the rest of the world, such as the Middle East.
- White progressives are too often all talk. They don't go far enough to establish their true virtue.
- White people are being paranoid and ignorant if they have any issue with high school history being taught as centered on slavery and the black experience. (As in the 1619 project)
- Obama's skin color was the main reason for the political opposition to him. His political ideas, speeches, and policies were unimportant factors, compared to his skin color.
- Trump had no policies, and only appealed to people's ignorance and racism.
Children's imaginations are programmable, and it's important that we program children to have the correct imagination about politics and race. It is accepted as a given that adults, set in their ways, are not as programmable. Such people are not reachable by these cutting edge leftist intellectuals.
Now, that stuff is not explicitly taught per se, but the teachings of CRT are designed to fashion in the students a set of beliefs that would lead them to those conclusions.
