DeSantis is such a douchebag
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@george-k said in DeSantis is such a douchebag:
By the same token, NIH, etc., can't force you to get vaccinated against measels, diptheria, chickenpox, etc.
However, your employer can, and that's a totally different discussion. So your choice is really vaccination or your job.
Yet the public schools, technically agents of the state, can and have been making vaccination against MMR, diphtheria, chickenpox, etc. as a condition for attendance.
DeSantis has no problem with public schools making vaccinations against those other diseases a condition for attendance, yet explicitly disallow public schools from making COVID-19 vaccination a condition for attendance.
@axtremus said in DeSantis is such a douchebag:
Yet the public schools, technically agents of the state, can and have been making vaccination against MMR, diphtheria, chickenpox, etc. as a condition for attendance.
Employee vs student.
AFAIK, students are not part of the mandate
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@axtremus said in DeSantis is such a douchebag:
Yet the public schools, technically agents of the state, can and have been making vaccination against MMR, diphtheria, chickenpox, etc. as a condition for attendance.
Employee vs student.
AFAIK, students are not part of the mandate
enactedproposed by Biden.@george-k said in DeSantis is such a douchebag:
@axtremus said in DeSantis is such a douchebag:
Yet the public schools, technically agents of the state, can and have been making vaccination against MMR, diphtheria, chickenpox, etc. as a condition for attendance.
Employee vs student.
AFAIK, students are not part of the mandate
enactedproposed by Biden.Can’t be. Otherwise no elementary schools…
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@lufins-dad said in DeSantis is such a douchebag:
Yeah, that’s an overstep.
No, I'm apparently a fascist for having a problem with it.
@aqua-letifer said in DeSantis is such a douchebag:
@lufins-dad said in DeSantis is such a douchebag:
Yeah, that’s an overstep.
No, I'm apparently a fascist for having a problem with it.
You're damn sure not a libertarian.
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@jolly said in DeSantis is such a douchebag:
@aqua-letifer said in DeSantis is such a douchebag:
@lufins-dad said in DeSantis is such a douchebag:
Yeah, that’s an overstep.
No, I'm apparently a fascist for having a problem with it.
You're damn sure not a libertarian.
Look, right-wing policies are great in theory, but they aren't ideal when income inequality rises so high that crime becomes out of control, personal responsibility falls so short that avoidable tragedies become commonplace, etc.
Left-wing ideologies are great in theory, but they aren't ideal when social programs and bureaucracy tank the economy, personal achievement becomes impossible, etc.
Libertarian ideologies are great in theory, but they aren't ideal when there's an expectation of rights and no expression of responsibility. It's what we had in Little Rock in 1957, and it's what we have now. Kick the libertarian can down the road all you want. A pandemic is the absolute last problem you want to try to solve with libertarianism.
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@mik said in DeSantis is such a douchebag:
As in all things, the trick is finding the balance.
Considering the Minneapolis protests and the National Guard called in on the Twin Cities, the Los Angeles, Philadelphia, DC, Baltimore and Atlanta riots, the fact that a portion of Portland didn't even fucking exist for awhile, an all-time high in cancel culture attacks, countless pieces of public property were destroyed, and the Capitol invasion all happening in a 12-month period, not to mention anti-vaxxers making the global health crisis all the worse every passing day, anyone arguing for more personal freedoms right now might want to consider upping their lithium intake.
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Don't lose what you have.
The natural tendency of any government is to suck up all the power and freedom it can. And it will never give it back...
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Don't lose what you have.
The natural tendency of any government is to suck up all the power and freedom it can. And it will never give it back...
@jolly said in DeSantis is such a douchebag:
Don't lose what you have.
The natural tendency of any government is to suck up all the power and freedom it can. And it will never give it back...
- The number of laws rises proportionately with population density, and for good reason—more people, more complex situational precedents are set, more laws become required to settle those new disputes.
- The U.S. population has never receded. Never.
Wishing for fewer laws while staring these facts in the face is delusional. It sucks but it's the way it goes.
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Then the nation is doomed. It will follow the arc of all great nations and collapse upon itself or morph into something that Jefferson would spit on.
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Then the nation is doomed. It will follow the arc of all great nations and collapse upon itself or morph into something that Jefferson would spit on.
@jolly said in DeSantis is such a douchebag:
Then the nation is doomed. It will follow the arc of all great nations and collapse upon itself or morph into something that Jefferson would spit on.
This nation will collapse even faster if the anti-vaxxers keep getting in the way and we let them. This will not be the last vaccine-preventable pandemic we face.
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Remember, when people no longer have the right to be safe in their self and their possessions, you've just torn up a large part of this Constitution.
People will have traded freedom for the illusion of safety and will have neither freedom or safety.
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Remember, when people no longer have the right to be safe in their self and their possessions, you've just torn up a large part of this Constitution.
People will have traded freedom for the illusion of safety and will have neither freedom or safety.
@jolly said in DeSantis is such a douchebag:
Remember, when people no longer have the right to be safe in their self and their possessions, you've just torn up a large part of this Constitution.
Sure ... what has been proposed to combat COVID-19 that has risen to the level of "people no longer have the right to be safe in their self and their possessions"?
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@jolly said in DeSantis is such a douchebag:
Remember, when people no longer have the right to be safe in their self and their possessions, you've just torn up a large part of this Constitution.
Sure ... what has been proposed to combat COVID-19 that has risen to the level of "people no longer have the right to be safe in their self and their possessions"?
@axtremus said in DeSantis is such a douchebag:
@jolly said in DeSantis is such a douchebag:
Remember, when people no longer have the right to be safe in their self and their possessions, you've just torn up a large part of this Constitution.
Sure ... what has been proposed to combat COVID-19 that has risen to the level of "people no longer have the right to be safe in their self and their possessions"?
For years, I've heard the mantra from the Left, My body, my choice. Apparently, that is no longer the case.
Scenario...In 2030, between global supply disruption due to the ebola pandemic, the locust infestation of the Midwest and the continued drought in California, the AOC Administration invoked an order through the FDA and instituted a mandatory one-child policy. Citing the policy's success in China, less mouths means better food security for all.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@axtremus said in DeSantis is such a douchebag:
@jolly said in DeSantis is such a douchebag:
Remember, when people no longer have the right to be safe in their self and their possessions, you've just torn up a large part of this Constitution.
Sure ... what has been proposed to combat COVID-19 that has risen to the level of "people no longer have the right to be safe in their self and their possessions"?
For years, I've heard the mantra from the Left, My body, my choice. Apparently, that is no longer the case.
Scenario...In 2030, between global supply disruption due to the ebola pandemic, the locust infestation of the Midwest and the continued drought in California, the AOC Administration invoked an order through the FDA and instituted a mandatory one-child policy. Citing the policy's success in China, less mouths means better food security for all.
@jolly said in DeSantis is such a douchebag:
@axtremus said in DeSantis is such a douchebag:
@jolly said in DeSantis is such a douchebag:
Remember, when people no longer have the right to be safe in their self and their possessions, you've just torn up a large part of this Constitution.
Sure ... what has been proposed to combat COVID-19 that has risen to the level of "people no longer have the right to be safe in their self and their possessions"?
For years, I've heard the mantra from the Left, My body, my choice. Apparently, that is no longer the case.
Unless “the Left” speaks for you or you intend to define yourself or your position using “the Left”, we can ignore “the Left”.
Srsly, what has been proposed to combat COVID-19 that has risen to the level of "people no longer have the right to be safe in their self and their possessions"?
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@axtremus said in DeSantis is such a douchebag:
@jolly said in DeSantis is such a douchebag:
Remember, when people no longer have the right to be safe in their self and their possessions, you've just torn up a large part of this Constitution.
Sure ... what has been proposed to combat COVID-19 that has risen to the level of "people no longer have the right to be safe in their self and their possessions"?
For years, I've heard the mantra from the Left, My body, my choice. Apparently, that is no longer the case.
Scenario...In 2030, between global supply disruption due to the ebola pandemic, the locust infestation of the Midwest and the continued drought in California, the AOC Administration invoked an order through the FDA and instituted a mandatory one-child policy. Citing the policy's success in China, less mouths means better food security for all.
@jolly said in DeSantis is such a douchebag:
@axtremus said in DeSantis is such a douchebag:
@jolly said in DeSantis is such a douchebag:
Remember, when people no longer have the right to be safe in their self and their possessions, you've just torn up a large part of this Constitution.
Sure ... what has been proposed to combat COVID-19 that has risen to the level of "people no longer have the right to be safe in their self and their possessions"?
For years, I've heard the mantra from the Left, My body, my choice. Apparently, that is no longer the case.
You are smart enough to realize it’s a very bad analogy. The my body my choice issue, u can agree or not on the issue but the accent is on “my”. If someone chooses or not to have an abortion doesn’t affect the poor joe who is next to you on line in the supermarket.
People who think public health safety is all about only personal choice are purposely not seeing the big picture of collective responsibility.
If it was up to me, the law should make life so miserable for people refusing to vaccinate, that they can choose if they please to self incarcerate in their homes, and not be allowed into the public domain.
And I don’t see this at all as a constitutional issue of freedom. Just like seat belts and speed limits aren’t unconstitutional.
Unless you think maybe, my car, my choice?
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I see Medicine as choice. In the case of a vaccine, those vaccinated against a disease should be protected against the disease. There are several factors at play...
- The vaccine for COVID apparently does not confer lasting immunity, possibly not even against the same variant.
- Natural immunity is not even being considered. We're pushing antigen tests without giving a damn about antibody levels. Why would you vaccinate an already immune person? Especially a person who has formed antibodies against the entire virus, rather than a snippet of the spike protein?
- While COVID does tend to suck up resources during a wave, during flat times it does not tax the healthcare system. It has become endemic and I suspect, seasonal.
- If insurance wants to charge more for the unvaccinated plan members, that's a legitimate choice. If an employer wishes to mandate vaccination as a condition of employment, that's a legitimate choice. But the government, especially the Executive, has no right to abridge people's rights through the draconian and illegitimate use of the government's powers.
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I see Medicine as choice. In the case of a vaccine, those vaccinated against a disease should be protected against the disease. There are several factors at play...
- The vaccine for COVID apparently does not confer lasting immunity, possibly not even against the same variant.
- Natural immunity is not even being considered. We're pushing antigen tests without giving a damn about antibody levels. Why would you vaccinate an already immune person? Especially a person who has formed antibodies against the entire virus, rather than a snippet of the spike protein?
- While COVID does tend to suck up resources during a wave, during flat times it does not tax the healthcare system. It has become endemic and I suspect, seasonal.
- If insurance wants to charge more for the unvaccinated plan members, that's a legitimate choice. If an employer wishes to mandate vaccination as a condition of employment, that's a legitimate choice. But the government, especially the Executive, has no right to abridge people's rights through the draconian and illegitimate use of the government's powers.
@jolly said in DeSantis is such a douchebag:
If an employer wishes to mandate vaccination as a condition of employment, that's a legitimate choice.
DeSantis prevented companies from doing this very thing, and you called me a fascist for labeling it douchebaggery.
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That's ok, you're still a fascist.
