DeSantis is such a douchebag
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wrote on 9 Sept 2021, 19:25 last edited by
I’ve briefly read what he said, and here’s where I think things are off the rails. I think he is speaking of Public Health as a Government Entity. The CDC can’t force you to get vaccinated, the NIH can’t force you to get vaccinated, the local, state, and federal governments can’t force you to get vaccinated. Only you can make that decision. And he’s right.
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wrote on 9 Sept 2021, 21:13 last edited by
@lufins-dad said in DeSantis is such a douchebag:
The CDC can’t force you to get vaccinated, the NIH can’t force you to get vaccinated, the local, state, and federal governments can’t force you to get vaccinated. Only you can make that decision. And he’s right.
True, dat.
(Devil's advocate here)
By the same token, NIH, etc., can't force you to get vaccinated against measels, diptheria, chickenpox, etc.
However, your employer can, and that's a totally different discussion. So your choice is really vaccination or your job.
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wrote on 9 Sept 2021, 21:29 last edited by
One argument made by the last President that he was a "wartime President" and this battle against the pandemic was a "war." This doesn't seem unreasonable since this pandemic has now resulted in more deaths than all US combat deaths since the inception of the country. During wartime our nation has employed a draft which is a remarkable intrusion into the personal liberty of people. Does it really seem so far fetched to require a vaccine or other measures to not overwhelm the nation's healthcare system and prevent needless deaths?
One consequence of the vaccine resistance is that it has been estimated that as many as 5x as many republicans as democrats are dying from the pandemic.
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I’ve briefly read what he said, and here’s where I think things are off the rails. I think he is speaking of Public Health as a Government Entity. The CDC can’t force you to get vaccinated, the NIH can’t force you to get vaccinated, the local, state, and federal governments can’t force you to get vaccinated. Only you can make that decision. And he’s right.
wrote on 9 Sept 2021, 22:10 last edited by@lufins-dad said in DeSantis is such a douchebag:
I’ve briefly read what he said, and here’s where I think things are off the rails. I think he is speaking of Public Health as a Government Entity. The CDC can’t force you to get vaccinated, the NIH can’t force you to get vaccinated, the local, state, and federal governments can’t force you to get vaccinated. Only you can make that decision. And he’s right.
You're making up an argument for him that you can get behind. The thing about school mask mandates is only part of it. He's also gotten involved in what private entities can and can't do.
Gov. Ron DeSantis issued an executive order Friday that prohibits businesses from requiring customers to provide any documentation that they’ve gotten a COVID-19 vaccine to gain access or service.
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wrote on 9 Sept 2021, 22:15 last edited by
Yeah, that’s an overstep.
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Yeah, that’s an overstep.
wrote on 9 Sept 2021, 22:20 last edited by@lufins-dad said in DeSantis is such a douchebag:
Yeah, that’s an overstep.
No, I'm apparently a fascist for having a problem with it.
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@lufins-dad said in DeSantis is such a douchebag:
The CDC can’t force you to get vaccinated, the NIH can’t force you to get vaccinated, the local, state, and federal governments can’t force you to get vaccinated. Only you can make that decision. And he’s right.
True, dat.
(Devil's advocate here)
By the same token, NIH, etc., can't force you to get vaccinated against measels, diptheria, chickenpox, etc.
However, your employer can, and that's a totally different discussion. So your choice is really vaccination or your job.
wrote on 9 Sept 2021, 23:03 last edited by@george-k said in DeSantis is such a douchebag:
By the same token, NIH, etc., can't force you to get vaccinated against measels, diptheria, chickenpox, etc.
However, your employer can, and that's a totally different discussion. So your choice is really vaccination or your job.
Yet the public schools, technically agents of the state, can and have been making vaccination against MMR, diphtheria, chickenpox, etc. as a condition for attendance.
DeSantis has no problem with public schools making vaccinations against those other diseases a condition for attendance, yet explicitly disallow public schools from making COVID-19 vaccination a condition for attendance.
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wrote on 9 Sept 2021, 23:08 last edited by
Uhm, Ax? There is no approved vaccine for people under 12. No school district in the US has made a COVID 19 vaccine requirement for students.
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@george-k said in DeSantis is such a douchebag:
By the same token, NIH, etc., can't force you to get vaccinated against measels, diptheria, chickenpox, etc.
However, your employer can, and that's a totally different discussion. So your choice is really vaccination or your job.
Yet the public schools, technically agents of the state, can and have been making vaccination against MMR, diphtheria, chickenpox, etc. as a condition for attendance.
DeSantis has no problem with public schools making vaccinations against those other diseases a condition for attendance, yet explicitly disallow public schools from making COVID-19 vaccination a condition for attendance.
wrote on 9 Sept 2021, 23:20 last edited by George K 9 Sept 2021, 23:20@axtremus said in DeSantis is such a douchebag:
Yet the public schools, technically agents of the state, can and have been making vaccination against MMR, diphtheria, chickenpox, etc. as a condition for attendance.
Employee vs student.
AFAIK, students are not part of the mandate
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@axtremus said in DeSantis is such a douchebag:
Yet the public schools, technically agents of the state, can and have been making vaccination against MMR, diphtheria, chickenpox, etc. as a condition for attendance.
Employee vs student.
AFAIK, students are not part of the mandate
enactedproposed by Biden.wrote on 9 Sept 2021, 23:27 last edited by@george-k said in DeSantis is such a douchebag:
@axtremus said in DeSantis is such a douchebag:
Yet the public schools, technically agents of the state, can and have been making vaccination against MMR, diphtheria, chickenpox, etc. as a condition for attendance.
Employee vs student.
AFAIK, students are not part of the mandate
enactedproposed by Biden.Can’t be. Otherwise no elementary schools…
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@lufins-dad said in DeSantis is such a douchebag:
Yeah, that’s an overstep.
No, I'm apparently a fascist for having a problem with it.
wrote on 10 Sept 2021, 01:26 last edited by@aqua-letifer said in DeSantis is such a douchebag:
@lufins-dad said in DeSantis is such a douchebag:
Yeah, that’s an overstep.
No, I'm apparently a fascist for having a problem with it.
You're damn sure not a libertarian.
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wrote on 10 Sept 2021, 02:14 last edited by
@jolly said in DeSantis is such a douchebag:
@aqua-letifer said in DeSantis is such a douchebag:
@lufins-dad said in DeSantis is such a douchebag:
Yeah, that’s an overstep.
No, I'm apparently a fascist for having a problem with it.
You're damn sure not a libertarian.
Look, right-wing policies are great in theory, but they aren't ideal when income inequality rises so high that crime becomes out of control, personal responsibility falls so short that avoidable tragedies become commonplace, etc.
Left-wing ideologies are great in theory, but they aren't ideal when social programs and bureaucracy tank the economy, personal achievement becomes impossible, etc.
Libertarian ideologies are great in theory, but they aren't ideal when there's an expectation of rights and no expression of responsibility. It's what we had in Little Rock in 1957, and it's what we have now. Kick the libertarian can down the road all you want. A pandemic is the absolute last problem you want to try to solve with libertarianism.
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wrote on 10 Sept 2021, 02:19 last edited by
As in all things, the trick is finding the balance.
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wrote on 10 Sept 2021, 02:34 last edited by Aqua Letifer 9 Oct 2021, 02:35
@mik said in DeSantis is such a douchebag:
As in all things, the trick is finding the balance.
Considering the Minneapolis protests and the National Guard called in on the Twin Cities, the Los Angeles, Philadelphia, DC, Baltimore and Atlanta riots, the fact that a portion of Portland didn't even fucking exist for awhile, an all-time high in cancel culture attacks, countless pieces of public property were destroyed, and the Capitol invasion all happening in a 12-month period, not to mention anti-vaxxers making the global health crisis all the worse every passing day, anyone arguing for more personal freedoms right now might want to consider upping their lithium intake.
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wrote on 10 Sept 2021, 02:38 last edited by
Don't lose what you have.
The natural tendency of any government is to suck up all the power and freedom it can. And it will never give it back...
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Don't lose what you have.
The natural tendency of any government is to suck up all the power and freedom it can. And it will never give it back...
wrote on 10 Sept 2021, 02:43 last edited by Aqua Letifer 9 Oct 2021, 02:44@jolly said in DeSantis is such a douchebag:
Don't lose what you have.
The natural tendency of any government is to suck up all the power and freedom it can. And it will never give it back...
- The number of laws rises proportionately with population density, and for good reason—more people, more complex situational precedents are set, more laws become required to settle those new disputes.
- The U.S. population has never receded. Never.
Wishing for fewer laws while staring these facts in the face is delusional. It sucks but it's the way it goes.
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wrote on 10 Sept 2021, 03:10 last edited by
Then the nation is doomed. It will follow the arc of all great nations and collapse upon itself or morph into something that Jefferson would spit on.
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Then the nation is doomed. It will follow the arc of all great nations and collapse upon itself or morph into something that Jefferson would spit on.
wrote on 10 Sept 2021, 03:27 last edited by@jolly said in DeSantis is such a douchebag:
Then the nation is doomed. It will follow the arc of all great nations and collapse upon itself or morph into something that Jefferson would spit on.
This nation will collapse even faster if the anti-vaxxers keep getting in the way and we let them. This will not be the last vaccine-preventable pandemic we face.
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wrote on 10 Sept 2021, 03:31 last edited by
Remember, when people no longer have the right to be safe in their self and their possessions, you've just torn up a large part of this Constitution.
People will have traded freedom for the illusion of safety and will have neither freedom or safety.
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Remember, when people no longer have the right to be safe in their self and their possessions, you've just torn up a large part of this Constitution.
People will have traded freedom for the illusion of safety and will have neither freedom or safety.
wrote on 10 Sept 2021, 03:36 last edited by@jolly said in DeSantis is such a douchebag:
Remember, when people no longer have the right to be safe in their self and their possessions, you've just torn up a large part of this Constitution.
Sure ... what has been proposed to combat COVID-19 that has risen to the level of "people no longer have the right to be safe in their self and their possessions"?