DeSantis is such a douchebag

[Jolly]

@axtremus said in DeSantis is such a douchebag:

@jolly said in DeSantis is such a douchebag:

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I'm not your Google Mommy.

[Jolly]

Now, let us get back to the subject at hand...Because Florida is going through a tough spot, suddenly DeSantis is a douchebag.

Because DeSantis has urged people to get vaccinated, but still says that vaccination is a personal decision, he's a douchebag.

I guess being a libertarian is okay, until you rub off the veneer on a truly libertarian idea, which is the supreme responsibility for one's self. Then, if it involves a disease, it's fine to force compliance to the state.

Isn't that a bit fascist?

[LuFins Dad]

Damn, another thread to respond to and not enough time…

[Mik]

@jolly said in DeSantis is such a douchebag:

Now, let us get back to the subject at hand...Because Florida is going through a tough spot, suddenly DeSantis is a douchebag.

Because DeSantis has urged people to get vaccinated, but still says that vaccination is a personal decision, he's a douchebag.

I guess being a libertarian is okay, until you rub off the veneer on a truly libertarian idea, which is the supreme responsibility for one's self. Then, if it involves a disease, it's fine to force compliance to the state.

Isn't that a bit fascist?

One foundation of this country is that you have the ability to persuade, not to order, in most cases.

[Aqua Letifer]

@jolly said in DeSantis is such a douchebag:

Now, let us get back to the subject at hand...Because Florida is going through a tough spot, suddenly DeSantis is a douchebag.

Because DeSantis has urged people to get vaccinated, but still says that vaccination is a personal decision, he's a douchebag.

I guess being a libertarian is okay, until you rub off the veneer on a truly libertarian idea, which is the supreme responsibility for one's self. Then, if it involves a disease, it's fine to force compliance to the state.

Isn't that a bit fascist?

Yes, Jolly, calling DeSantis a douchebag is fascist.

[Jolly]

@aqua-letifer said in DeSantis is such a douchebag:

@jolly said in DeSantis is such a douchebag:

Now, let us get back to the subject at hand...Because Florida is going through a tough spot, suddenly DeSantis is a douchebag.

Because DeSantis has urged people to get vaccinated, but still says that vaccination is a personal decision, he's a douchebag.

I guess being a libertarian is okay, until you rub off the veneer on a truly libertarian idea, which is the supreme responsibility for one's self. Then, if it involves a disease, it's fine to force compliance to the state.

Isn't that a bit fascist?

Yes, Jolly, calling DeSantis a douchebag is fascist.

No, your reasons for calling DeSantis a douchebag are fascist.

[LuFins Dad]

I’ve briefly read what he said, and here’s where I think things are off the rails. I think he is speaking of Public Health as a Government Entity. The CDC can’t force you to get vaccinated, the NIH can’t force you to get vaccinated, the local, state, and federal governments can’t force you to get vaccinated. Only you can make that decision. And he’s right.

[George K]

@lufins-dad said in DeSantis is such a douchebag:

The CDC can’t force you to get vaccinated, the NIH can’t force you to get vaccinated, the local, state, and federal governments can’t force you to get vaccinated. Only you can make that decision. And he’s right.

True, dat.

(Devil's advocate here)

By the same token, NIH, etc., can't force you to get vaccinated against measels, diptheria, chickenpox, etc.

However, your employer can, and that's a totally different discussion. So your choice is really vaccination or your job.

[kluurs]

One argument made by the last President that he was a "wartime President" and this battle against the pandemic was a "war." This doesn't seem unreasonable since this pandemic has now resulted in more deaths than all US combat deaths since the inception of the country. During wartime our nation has employed a draft which is a remarkable intrusion into the personal liberty of people. Does it really seem so far fetched to require a vaccine or other measures to not overwhelm the nation's healthcare system and prevent needless deaths?

One consequence of the vaccine resistance is that it has been estimated that as many as 5x as many republicans as democrats are dying from the pandemic.

[Aqua Letifer]

@lufins-dad said in DeSantis is such a douchebag:

I’ve briefly read what he said, and here’s where I think things are off the rails. I think he is speaking of Public Health as a Government Entity. The CDC can’t force you to get vaccinated, the NIH can’t force you to get vaccinated, the local, state, and federal governments can’t force you to get vaccinated. Only you can make that decision. And he’s right.

You're making up an argument for him that you can get behind. The thing about school mask mandates is only part of it. He's also gotten involved in what private entities can and can't do.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article250401986.html

Gov. Ron DeSantis issued an executive order Friday that prohibits businesses from requiring customers to provide any documentation that they’ve gotten a COVID-19 vaccine to gain access or service.

[LuFins Dad]

Yeah, that’s an overstep.

[Aqua Letifer]

@lufins-dad said in DeSantis is such a douchebag:

Yeah, that’s an overstep.

No, I'm apparently a fascist for having a problem with it.

[Axtremus]

@george-k said in DeSantis is such a douchebag:

By the same token, NIH, etc., can't force you to get vaccinated against measels, diptheria, chickenpox, etc.

However, your employer can, and that's a totally different discussion. So your choice is really vaccination or your job.

Yet the public schools, technically agents of the state, can and have been making vaccination against MMR, diphtheria, chickenpox, etc. as a condition for attendance.

DeSantis has no problem with public schools making vaccinations against those other diseases a condition for attendance, yet explicitly disallow public schools from making COVID-19 vaccination a condition for attendance.

[LuFins Dad]

Uhm, Ax? There is no approved vaccine for people under 12. No school district in the US has made a COVID 19 vaccine requirement for students.

[George K]

@axtremus said in DeSantis is such a douchebag:

Yet the public schools, technically agents of the state, can and have been making vaccination against MMR, diphtheria, chickenpox, etc. as a condition for attendance.

Employee vs student.

AFAIK, students are not part of the mandate enacted proposed by Biden.

[LuFins Dad]

@george-k said in DeSantis is such a douchebag:

@axtremus said in DeSantis is such a douchebag:

Yet the public schools, technically agents of the state, can and have been making vaccination against MMR, diphtheria, chickenpox, etc. as a condition for attendance.

Employee vs student.

AFAIK, students are not part of the mandate enacted proposed by Biden.

Can’t be. Otherwise no elementary schools…

[Jolly]

@aqua-letifer said in DeSantis is such a douchebag:

@lufins-dad said in DeSantis is such a douchebag:

Yeah, that’s an overstep.

No, I'm apparently a fascist for having a problem with it.

You're damn sure not a libertarian.

[Aqua Letifer]

@jolly said in DeSantis is such a douchebag:

@aqua-letifer said in DeSantis is such a douchebag:

@lufins-dad said in DeSantis is such a douchebag:

Yeah, that’s an overstep.

No, I'm apparently a fascist for having a problem with it.

You're damn sure not a libertarian.

Look, right-wing policies are great in theory, but they aren't ideal when income inequality rises so high that crime becomes out of control, personal responsibility falls so short that avoidable tragedies become commonplace, etc.

Left-wing ideologies are great in theory, but they aren't ideal when social programs and bureaucracy tank the economy, personal achievement becomes impossible, etc.

Libertarian ideologies are great in theory, but they aren't ideal when there's an expectation of rights and no expression of responsibility. It's what we had in Little Rock in 1957, and it's what we have now. Kick the libertarian can down the road all you want. A pandemic is the absolute last problem you want to try to solve with libertarianism.

[Mik]

As in all things, the trick is finding the balance.

[Aqua Letifer]

@mik said in DeSantis is such a douchebag:

As in all things, the trick is finding the balance.

Considering the Minneapolis protests and the National Guard called in on the Twin Cities, the Los Angeles, Philadelphia, DC, Baltimore and Atlanta riots, the fact that a portion of Portland didn't even fucking exist for awhile, an all-time high in cancel culture attacks, countless pieces of public property were destroyed, and the Capitol invasion all happening in a 12-month period, not to mention anti-vaxxers making the global health crisis all the worse every passing day, anyone arguing for more personal freedoms right now might want to consider upping their lithium intake.