Biles bails at the Olympics
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wrote on 29 Jul 2021, 15:48 last edited by
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@catseye3 said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
@aqua-letifer Welcome to TNCR, noobie! Just so you know, somebody else has been using your nick all this time.
I didn't mean TNCR, I meant Americans.
If you're liberal, you have to view this as a courageous act from a true hero.
If you're conservative, you have to view this as an act from a quitter who couldn't hack it.
I'm tired of everything becoming a proxy discussion about politics with no one thinking for themselves. I don't want to discuss issues with someone's interpretation of what their echo chamber has concluded, I want to talk to an actual person.
wrote on 29 Jul 2021, 15:48 last edited by@aqua-letifer said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
@catseye3 said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
@aqua-letifer Welcome to TNCR, noobie! Just so you know, somebody else has been using your nick all this time.
I didn't mean TNCR, I meant Americans.
If you're liberal, you have to view this as a courageous act from a true hero.
If you're conservative, you have to view this as an act from a quitter who couldn't hack it.
I'm tired of everything becoming a proxy discussion about politics with no one thinking for themselves. I don't want to discuss issues with someone's interpretation of what their echo chamber has concluded, I want to talk to an actual person.
Amen, brother Aqua.
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wrote on 29 Jul 2021, 15:48 last edited by
A new hero has emerged. Don’t want to be a spoiler but what a great success story. Churchillian even.
You can assemble the facts and write your own narrative but the final outcome is part of the American grit, resilience and overcoming the greatest odds story.
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@doctor-phibes said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
We've also moved on from being Monday morning quarterbacks to Monday morning mental health professionals.
Liberals are the Monday morning mental health professionals in this instance.
Conservatives are still doing the quarterbacking.
wrote on 29 Jul 2021, 15:50 last edited by@aqua-letifer said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
@doctor-phibes said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
We've also moved on from being Monday morning quarterbacks to Monday morning mental health professionals.
Liberals are the Monday morning mental health professionals in this instance.
Conservatives are still doing the quarterbacking.
Quit being so tribal. As I referenced earlier, it's fine for her to withdraw, the question is why wasn't it done earlier?
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@aqua-letifer said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
@doctor-phibes said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
We've also moved on from being Monday morning quarterbacks to Monday morning mental health professionals.
Liberals are the Monday morning mental health professionals in this instance.
Conservatives are still doing the quarterbacking.
Quit being so tribal. As I referenced earlier, it's fine for her to withdraw, the question is why wasn't it done earlier?
wrote on 29 Jul 2021, 15:55 last edited by@jolly said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
@aqua-letifer said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
@doctor-phibes said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
We've also moved on from being Monday morning quarterbacks to Monday morning mental health professionals.
Liberals are the Monday morning mental health professionals in this instance.
Conservatives are still doing the quarterbacking.
Quit being so tribal.
Yeah it's me.
As I referenced earlier, it's fine for her to withdraw, the question is why wasn't it done earlier?
In other words, "she should have known her limits before she reached them." Doesn't sound reasonable to me to assume anyone can do that with any accuracy.
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@jolly said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
@aqua-letifer said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
@doctor-phibes said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
We've also moved on from being Monday morning quarterbacks to Monday morning mental health professionals.
Liberals are the Monday morning mental health professionals in this instance.
Conservatives are still doing the quarterbacking.
Quit being so tribal.
Yeah it's me.
As I referenced earlier, it's fine for her to withdraw, the question is why wasn't it done earlier?
In other words, "she should have known her limits before she reached them." Doesn't sound reasonable to me to assume anyone can do that with any accuracy.
wrote on 29 Jul 2021, 16:25 last edited by Horace@aqua-letifer said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
@jolly said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
@aqua-letifer said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
@doctor-phibes said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
We've also moved on from being Monday morning quarterbacks to Monday morning mental health professionals.
Liberals are the Monday morning mental health professionals in this instance.
Conservatives are still doing the quarterbacking.
Quit being so tribal.
Yeah it's me.
As I referenced earlier, it's fine for her to withdraw, the question is why wasn't it done earlier?
In other words, "she should have known her limits before she reached them." Doesn't sound reasonable to me to assume anyone can do that with any accuracy.
I think she was confident that she'd be embraced by her culture even after doing what she did. I think that confidence played a role in her decision. I think if she was Japanese or Chinese or Russian etc, she wouldn't have had that confidence, because of the differences in culture. To the extent that politics and culture overlap, there's an easy way to get from reactions to this event, to politics. You don't have to squint too hard.
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@aqua-letifer said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
@jolly said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
@aqua-letifer said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
@doctor-phibes said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
We've also moved on from being Monday morning quarterbacks to Monday morning mental health professionals.
Liberals are the Monday morning mental health professionals in this instance.
Conservatives are still doing the quarterbacking.
Quit being so tribal.
Yeah it's me.
As I referenced earlier, it's fine for her to withdraw, the question is why wasn't it done earlier?
In other words, "she should have known her limits before she reached them." Doesn't sound reasonable to me to assume anyone can do that with any accuracy.
I think she was confident that she'd be embraced by her culture even after doing what she did. I think that confidence played a role in her decision. I think if she was Japanese or Chinese or Russian etc, she wouldn't have had that confidence, because of the differences in culture. To the extent that politics and culture overlap, there's an easy way to get from reactions to this event, to politics. You don't have to squint too hard.
wrote on 29 Jul 2021, 16:32 last edited by@horace said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
I think she was confident that she'd be embraced by her culture even after doing what she did. I think that confidence played a role in her decision. I think if she was Japanese or Chinese or Russian etc, she wouldn't have had that confidence, because of the differences in culture.
Yeah, I'd agree with that.
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wrote on 29 Jul 2021, 16:37 last edited by
All interesting perspectives.
There is a backstory of her dropping out of a major event in 2013, and it has many similar characteristics. Not sure if it is relevant. Also there was much discussion before the incident of assigning less points to her moves because of fear of permanent disability to others that tried it. Finally I am thinking of a pilot who loses orientation in a barrel roll, I think they need to be checked out before they go right back up in the air.
Of course in competition our story is about grit and determination, not abandoning your team or country. I am super competitive so I fully understand that.
In sum I just don’t know.
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wrote on 29 Jul 2021, 16:39 last edited by
She is beyond world class as an athlete. Her life, what she has experienced, the challenges she has met and surpassed, put her beyond facile pigeon-holing.
We can't know, unless we're intimately familiar with her, what values she has acquired and retained and what lessons she has learned and how flawed or how perfected her judgment is. How her very body and its movements affect her every decision.
She ain't like us.
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A new hero has emerged. Don’t want to be a spoiler but what a great success story. Churchillian even.
You can assemble the facts and write your own narrative but the final outcome is part of the American grit, resilience and overcoming the greatest odds story.
wrote on 29 Jul 2021, 16:45 last edited by@loki said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
A new hero has emerged. Don’t want to be a spoiler but what a great success story. Churchillian even.
You can assemble the facts and write your own narrative but the final outcome is part of the American grit, resilience and overcoming the greatest odds story.
Aaack, I'm leaving this thread and all news and social media until I get to watch the all-around competition rebroadcast tonight!
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All interesting perspectives.
There is a backstory of her dropping out of a major event in 2013, and it has many similar characteristics. Not sure if it is relevant. Also there was much discussion before the incident of assigning less points to her moves because of fear of permanent disability to others that tried it. Finally I am thinking of a pilot who loses orientation in a barrel roll, I think they need to be checked out before they go right back up in the air.
Of course in competition our story is about grit and determination, not abandoning your team or country. I am super competitive so I fully understand that.
In sum I just don’t know.
wrote on 29 Jul 2021, 16:47 last edited by@loki said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
In sum I just don’t know.
That's my point. None of us do.
I'm happy to give her the benefit of the doubt. It's not like she's harming me in any way.
I don't suppose anybody really cares that much if they're honest, but I could be wrong - if anybody here feels passionately about women's gymnastics, please let go of what you're currently holding and raise your right hand.
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wrote on 29 Jul 2021, 16:47 last edited by
Some people deal with the pressure of the Olympics, some don't
We seem to take extra pleasure watching those who don't, maybe because they are more rare.
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@jolly said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
@aqua-letifer said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
@doctor-phibes said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
We've also moved on from being Monday morning quarterbacks to Monday morning mental health professionals.
Liberals are the Monday morning mental health professionals in this instance.
Conservatives are still doing the quarterbacking.
Quit being so tribal.
Yeah it's me.
As I referenced earlier, it's fine for her to withdraw, the question is why wasn't it done earlier?
In other words, "she should have known her limits before she reached them." Doesn't sound reasonable to me to assume anyone can do that with any accuracy.
wrote on 29 Jul 2021, 16:50 last edited by@aqua-letifer said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
@jolly said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
@aqua-letifer said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
@doctor-phibes said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
We've also moved on from being Monday morning quarterbacks to Monday morning mental health professionals.
Liberals are the Monday morning mental health professionals in this instance.
Conservatives are still doing the quarterbacking.
Quit being so tribal.
Yeah it's me.
As I referenced earlier, it's fine for her to withdraw, the question is why wasn't it done earlier?
In other words, "she should have known her limits before she reached them." Doesn't sound reasonable to me to assume anyone can do that with any accuracy.
Just a few weeks ago, she was at an event with a small goat emblem on her uniform. GOAT. Greatest Of All Time. She's complained in interviews (good luck finding them, they're being scrubbed) that she was being judged differently, because she was so good.
God Bless her, she is very good, but the very best rise to the occasion.
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@aqua-letifer said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
@jolly said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
@aqua-letifer said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
@doctor-phibes said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
We've also moved on from being Monday morning quarterbacks to Monday morning mental health professionals.
Liberals are the Monday morning mental health professionals in this instance.
Conservatives are still doing the quarterbacking.
Quit being so tribal.
Yeah it's me.
As I referenced earlier, it's fine for her to withdraw, the question is why wasn't it done earlier?
In other words, "she should have known her limits before she reached them." Doesn't sound reasonable to me to assume anyone can do that with any accuracy.
Just a few weeks ago, she was at an event with a small goat emblem on her uniform. GOAT. Greatest Of All Time. She's complained in interviews (good luck finding them, they're being scrubbed) that she was being judged differently, because she was so good.
God Bless her, she is very good, but the very best rise to the occasion.
wrote on 29 Jul 2021, 17:41 last edited by@jolly said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
Just a few weeks ago, she was at an event with a small goat emblem on her uniform. GOAT. Greatest Of All Time. She's complained in interviews (good luck finding them, they're being scrubbed) that she was being judged differently, because she was so good.
God Bless her, she is very good, but the very best rise to the occasion.Yeah, I don't think anyone is arguing that it would have been somehow worse if she felt able to continue to compete.
Getting on her case though reminds me of the meme jon shared around.
I personally think it would have been better, had she felt able to continue. But I don't understand why it's so important to label her a hero, or a quitter.
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@aqua-letifer said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
@jolly said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
@aqua-letifer said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
@doctor-phibes said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
We've also moved on from being Monday morning quarterbacks to Monday morning mental health professionals.
Liberals are the Monday morning mental health professionals in this instance.
Conservatives are still doing the quarterbacking.
Quit being so tribal.
Yeah it's me.
As I referenced earlier, it's fine for her to withdraw, the question is why wasn't it done earlier?
In other words, "she should have known her limits before she reached them." Doesn't sound reasonable to me to assume anyone can do that with any accuracy.
Just a few weeks ago, she was at an event with a small goat emblem on her uniform. GOAT. Greatest Of All Time. She's complained in interviews (good luck finding them, they're being scrubbed) that she was being judged differently, because she was so good.
God Bless her, she is very good, but the very best rise to the occasion.
wrote on 29 Jul 2021, 17:47 last edited by@jolly said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
God Bless her, she is very good, but the very best rise to the occasion.
There's no shortage of people who were the very best in any number of fields who also suffered from serious mental illness that stopped them, either temporarily or permanently. You're still assuming you know how bad it was for her. 'Rise to the occasion' is just another word for 'pull themselves together'. If somebody is actually ill, that might not work at all.
Was Bobby Fischer one of the all time great chess players? Yes, he was. But his life and career was destroyed by mental illness. He's still in the top 3-4 of all time.
I'm not saying that Simone Biles is mentally ill - I have absolutely no idea. Neither do any of us.
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wrote on 29 Jul 2021, 18:09 last edited by
Nothing beats a fail, but a try.
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wrote on 29 Jul 2021, 18:19 last edited by
I don’t think we (natinoally) will ever get consensus on Simone. It’s become too politicized and much of it by the left that wants to blame it on “toxic” this or toxic that which sounds suspiciously like CRT.
Interestly those on this forum that are not comfortable with the she went awol theme are not on the “ CRT” bandwagon. And those who think a greatest of all time by definition can’t punt have a point too.
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@catseye3 said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
@aqua-letifer Welcome to TNCR, noobie! Just so you know, somebody else has been using your nick all this time.
I didn't mean TNCR, I meant Americans.
If you're liberal, you have to view this as a courageous act from a true hero.
If you're conservative, you have to view this as an act from a quitter who couldn't hack it.
I'm tired of everything becoming a proxy discussion about politics with no one thinking for themselves. I don't want to discuss issues with someone's interpretation of what their echo chamber has concluded, I want to talk to an actual person.
wrote on 29 Jul 2021, 20:34 last edited by@aqua-letifer said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
I didn't mean TNCR, I meant Americans.
If you're liberal, you have to view this as a courageous act from a true hero.
If you're conservative, you have to view this as an act from a quitter who couldn't hack it.
I'm tired of everything becoming a proxy discussion about politics with no one thinking for themselves. I don't want to discuss issues with someone's interpretation of what their echo chamber has concluded, I want to talk to an actual person.
See, that's why my "greatness is overrated" post is so great, it does not lionize or berate the act itself, it does not label anyone a hero or a quitter, it does not proxy any political faction, it does not parrot any particular echo chamber. May be go read it a couple of more times, you might learn to appreciate its true greatness.
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@aqua-letifer said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
I didn't mean TNCR, I meant Americans.
If you're liberal, you have to view this as a courageous act from a true hero.
If you're conservative, you have to view this as an act from a quitter who couldn't hack it.
I'm tired of everything becoming a proxy discussion about politics with no one thinking for themselves. I don't want to discuss issues with someone's interpretation of what their echo chamber has concluded, I want to talk to an actual person.
See, that's why my "greatness is overrated" post is so great, it does not lionize or berate the act itself, it does not label anyone a hero or a quitter, it does not proxy any political faction, it does not parrot any particular echo chamber. May be go read it a couple of more times, you might learn to appreciate its true greatness.
wrote on 29 Jul 2021, 20:44 last edited by@axtremus said in Biles bails at the Olympics:
See, that's why my "greatness is overrated" post is so great, May be go read it a couple of more times, you might learn to appreciate its true greatness.
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wrote on 29 Jul 2021, 21:55 last edited by
The king is dead. Long live the king...
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/suni-lee-family-wild-olympic-daughter-win-gold
