"Flagging the problematic"

[George K]

[Aqua Letifer]

Uh, no. In the days of old, the press would coordinate regularly with the feds regarding WWII coverage.

I'm not saying I like the above, but calling it fascism is histrionic AF.

[George K]

@aqua-letifer said in "Flagging the problematic":

In the days of old, the press would coordinate regularly with the feds regarding WWII coverage.

Yes, I'm aware of that. Have they admitted to been doing any censorship between 1945 and 2021?

70 years ago, it was a matter of national security. And now you're censoring cranks on Faceypage?

[Catseye3]

"The Biden administration is telling Facebook which posts it regards as "problematic" so that Facebook can remove them."

^^^^

[George K]

@catseye3 YARLY:

[Catseye3]

@george-k said in "Flagging the problematic":

@aqua-letifer said in "Flagging the problematic":

In the days of old, the press would coordinate regularly with the feds regarding WWII coverage.

Yes, I'm aware of that. Have they admitted to been doing any censorship between 1945 and 2021?

I can't say for sure, but it would totally not surprise me if such coordination has gone on on the regular since WWII. Vietnam, especially pertaining to the unrest; the pandemic, and for certain over the Trump candidacy and even more certainly over his time in the White House.

ETA: Probably govt and the press have been complicit any number of times to conceal various shenanigans deemed harmful if they got out.

[Catseye3]

However, it's kind of stupid of questionable wisdom to make a big public deal out of it.

Some elements will hate it and yowl like cats, no matter what.

[George K]

@aqua-letifer oh, the other thing is that this (sorta) speaks to Trump's suit against the big social media companies with respect to free speech.

A private entity is not subject to 1st amendment because it's not "the government." They can censor whomever they want. Once they "start working with the government," I believe that changes everything.

[Aqua Letifer]

@george-k said in "Flagging the problematic":

70 years ago, it was a matter of national security. And now you're censoring cranks on Faceypage?

Accepting their premise, I'd say global health is at least as important as national security.

[Aqua Letifer]

@george-k said in "Flagging the problematic":

oh, the other thing is that this (sorta) speaks to Trump's suit against the big social media companies with respect to free speech.
A private entity is not subject to 1st amendment because it's not "the government." They can censor whomever they want. Once they "start working with the government," I believe that changes everything.

I think that ship sailed once they reached critical mass with their user numbers. That was my personal ethical boundary that I think they crossed. Unfortunately, no laws for that, except maybe trust-busting.

[Jolly]

Trust-busting will do nicely, thank you.

[xenon]

I think we need novel legislation for the internet.

It’s different enough that it warrants original legal thinking.

The old trust and monopoly frameworks were made for a different time and different problem.

[George K]

@xenon said in "Flagging the problematic":

I think we need novel legislation for the internet.

Nah, just build your own internet...

[LuFins Dad]

@aqua-letifer said in "Flagging the problematic":

Uh, no. In the days of old, the press would coordinate regularly with the feds regarding WWII coverage.

I'm not saying I like the above, but calling it fascism is histrionic AF.

Working with the press to fashion your message is one thing but working with a media platform to censor and remove contradictory news, thoughts, and information? That is fascism right to the core. Removing “wrong” thought.

[LuFins Dad]

@catseye3 said in "Flagging the problematic":

@george-k said in "Flagging the problematic":

@aqua-letifer said in "Flagging the problematic":

In the days of old, the press would coordinate regularly with the feds regarding WWII coverage.

Yes, I'm aware of that. Have they admitted to been doing any censorship between 1945 and 2021?

I can't say for sure, but it would totally not surprise me if such coordination has gone on on the regular since WWII. Vietnam, especially pertaining to the unrest; the pandemic, and for certain over the Trump candidacy and even more certainly over his time in the White House.

ETA: Probably govt and the press have been complicit any number of times to conceal various shenanigans deemed harmful if they got out.

Again, conspiring with media to craft a message is one thing, conspiring with platforms to remove contradictory messages is another.

[Aqua Letifer]

@lufins-dad said in "Flagging the problematic":

@aqua-letifer said in "Flagging the problematic":

Uh, no. In the days of old, the press would coordinate regularly with the feds regarding WWII coverage.

I'm not saying I like the above, but calling it fascism is histrionic AF.

Working with the press to fashion your message is one thing but working with a media platform to censor and remove contradictory news, thoughts, and information? That is fascism right to the core. Removing “wrong” thought.

These aren't "contradictory views," there's absolutely insane shit being promoted out there that's causing people to not get vaccinated. That puts them, everyone around them, and everyone else still living at greater risk.

[LuFins Dad]

@aqua-letifer batshit? Like the virus escaped from the lab? That’s one of the batshit (kind of appropriate) contradictory ideas that has been removed.

How about natural immunity? Test after test has shown that people that have had the virus have as good of an immune response or better than those with the vaccines, yet those posts have been flagged recently. Info on various treatments that are still being tested get’s flagged. Let’s not even talk about the arguments over anti-malarials. There are credible tests and scientists disputing one another on this, but one side doesn’t match the message so they are batshit crazy…

[Aqua Letifer]

@lufins-dad said in "Flagging the problematic":

@aqua-letifer batshit? Like the virus escaped from the lab? That’s one of the batshit (kind of appropriate) contradictory ideas that has been removed.

How about natural immunity? Test after test has shown that people that have had the virus have as good of an immune response or better than those with the vaccines, yet those posts have been flagged recently. Info on various treatments that are still being tested get’s flagged. Let’s not even talk about the arguments over anti-malarials. There are credible tests and scientists disputing one another on this, but one side doesn’t match the message so they are batshit crazy…

Fucking shit. Yes that's exactly what I had in mind when I said batshit crazy. Thank you for filling in the blanks so accurately.

You know if you want to talk to a proxy for liberal politics be my guest but that's not me, so I'll let you carry on, you're doing fine by yourself.

[Jolly]

Shucks, I thought he had a point...

[George K]

Hunter Biden's laptop was deemed "problematic," and that may have cost Trump the election.

May have.