99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people
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@horace said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
People are already free not to get the vaccination, and even your side, at least the individuals representing it here, wouldn't have it any other way. So, it seems there is widespread agreement that freedom to make this choice is important.
Unless anybody would like to make a case for enforcing vaccinations for everybody without more pressing health concerns? Have at it...Of course they're free to do so. But I'm not defending their obviously stupid decision, let alone patting them on the back for being a Free Thinker or turning their stupidity into some Patrick Henry lesson about freedom.
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Great advice.
https://www.ky3.com/2021/07/02/coxhealth-ceo-vaccine-opponents-should-shut-up/
Great article.
For those who don’t know Springfield Missouri has been called the buckle of the Bible Belt.
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Significantly less than 100% of people are choosing to get the vaccine, and anti-vax rhetoric exists. Choose your emotional reaction.
It would be nice if the indignant folk gave an impression that they differentiated between purveyors of anti-vax rhetoric, and those who speak up about the value of the freedom to make the choice individually.
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@horace said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
It would be nice if the indignant folk gave an impression that they differentiated between purveyors of anti-vax rhetoric, and those who speak up about the value of the freedom to make the choice individually.
It would be nice if the folks who only want to talk about freedom actually admit that, all things being equal and exceptions aside, it's much dumber to not get vaccinated.
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@horace said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
Significantly less than 100% of people are choosing to get the vaccine, and anti-vax rhetoric exists. Choose your emotional reaction.
It would be nice if the indignant folk gave an impression that they differentiated between purveyors of anti-vax rhetoric, and those who speak up about the value of the freedom to make the choice individually.
I have the freedom to parade about Boston Common dressed in women's underwear. Doesn't make it a good idea, and it's not something I'd expect anybody to defend.
The right freaking hate it when people choose to do something they disapprove of, but this act is apparently OK as a way of demonstrating American values.
As you would undoubtedly say under different circumstances, idiots.
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What is the chance of catching covid and having it cause a problem?
What is the chance of the vaccine causing a problem?
For many people the answer to both questions is, almost zero and the answer to both is uncertain.
Based on available information, they are not really dumb or stupid whichever way they go.
I got the virus with no big problem - a few days of discomfit.
I got the vaccine with no big problem - a few days of discomfit.
Was the vaccine dumb, stupid overkill? Maybe.
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@copper said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
What is the chance of catching covid and having it cause a problem?
Well, in the United States, it's about 600,000/350,000,000 for fatalities.
Other problems? Well, that number is higher - a LOT higher. I've seen one report that as many as 25% of survivors have some long-term effects. My neighbor Joe ended up with a trach, and is wheelchair bound. D2 still can't smell. I'd say those are problems.
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@aqua-letifer said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
@horace said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
It would be nice if the indignant folk gave an impression that they differentiated between purveyors of anti-vax rhetoric, and those who speak up about the value of the freedom to make the choice individually.
It would be nice if the folks who only want to talk about freedom actually admit that, all things being equal and exceptions aside, it's much dumber to not get vaccinated.
It's on the dumb/ignorant/selfish side, as decisions go. But it doesn't move my outrage meter much.
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Now, here's the problem...Viruses gotta virus. We have a Delta variant. Apparently we also have a Lambda variant.
I promise you, we will have more.
I suspect our current vaccine will not work against all variants. In fact, I suspect some of the variants will arise out of the vaccinated population.
So...What are you going to do? Shutting the country down again is not an option. Getting rid of the virus, is not an option. What we are likely to do, is treat COVID much like we have treated the flu, with a yearly, best-guess concoction that may or may not work. And just like the flu vaccine, we'll have plenty of people who simply do not take it, for whatever reason.
It's not going to be pretty at times, but it's going to be life.
Thank the Chinese for creating COVID in their weapons lab and give Fauci a pat on the head for helping fund gain-of-function research in the that lab...
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The data is in. Choosing to not vaccinate is mostly political.
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@loki said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
The data is in. Choosing to not vaccinate is mostly political.
Does this mean vaccinated conservatives are now proven to be free thinking non tribalists?
Also, we tend to be good looking.
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@horace said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
@loki said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
The data is in. Choosing to not vaccinate is mostly political.
Does this mean vaccinated conservatives are now proven to be free thinking non tribalists?
Also, we tend to be good looking.
Haha.
A good catch actually.
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@loki said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
The data is in. Choosing to not vaccinate is mostly political.
I think we knew that before the vaccines existed.
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@horace said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
@loki said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
The data is in. Choosing to not vaccinate is mostly political.
Does this mean vaccinated conservatives are now proven to be free thinking non tribalists?
Also, we tend to be good looking.
Not proven but chances are much higher.
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Hold on to your guns and bibles! The Government is coming for them while posing as door to door vaccines.
https://nypost.com/2021/07/10/rep-madison-cawthorn-warns-biden-will-seize-guns-and-bibles/
I finally understand the liberty and freedom thing.
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@horace said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
@aqua-letifer said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
@horace said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
It would be nice if the indignant folk gave an impression that they differentiated between purveyors of anti-vax rhetoric, and those who speak up about the value of the freedom to make the choice individually.
It would be nice if the folks who only want to talk about freedom actually admit that, all things being equal and exceptions aside, it's much dumber to not get vaccinated.
It's on the dumb/ignorant/selfish side, as decisions go. But it doesn't move my outrage meter much.
If one is to get outraged about this alone, one has not been paying attention. We have had any number of years of stupid, ignorant shit going on.
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@axtremus said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/07/04/republicans-vaccines/
GOP governors implored their residents on Sunday to get vaccinated against the coronavirus, as polling shows that vaccine hesitancy has been driven by Republicans and as the virus’s new, more contagious delta variant has caused recent upticks in covid-19 cases in areas with low vaccination rates.
...While I realize that the point youre trying to make is that Republicans are not getting vaccinated because republicans are stupid, you couldn't be further from the truth. You'll find more resistance to the vaccine am9ng republicans because republicans do not trust today's government. And they don't trust today's government because today's democrats pose a threat to the nation, and their rank and file - people like you - care more about your ideology than you care about the nation.
I've been vaccinated. I got vaccinated the instant it was available. But at the same time, I watched as democrat "leaders" USED this pandemic as an excuse to take control of our lives, limit our freedoms, etc. and if at any time I see the government try to tell me I have to prove I've been vaccinated in order to freely go about my life, I'll be at the front of the line that forms to kick their stupid asses.
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Mercy Hospital in Springfield, Missouri, opened its sixth Covid-19 unit to help care for patients over the weekend, according to spokesperson Sonya Kullman.
On Sunday, the Missouri hospital reported 137 patients with Covid-19.
“For context, the high in the last surge was 113 on Dec. 28, 2020,” Kullman said in an email to CNN.
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It is what it is.
I don't think there are enough folks out there who have not had the disease or are not vaccinated, that they would swamp the system.
I also think as time goes on, you'll see a higher vaccination rate, as people come to grips with the vaccine side-effects. Which is also okay and very similar to how people approach the flu vaccine.
Which is also okay, since I think in the next 18-24 months we're going to have more variants than you can shake a stick at, and the initial vaccine may or may not be effective.
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@jolly said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
It is what it is.
I don't think there are enough folks out there who have not had the disease or are not vaccinated, that they would swamp the system.
I also think as time goes on, you'll see a higher vaccination rate, as people come to grips with the vaccine side-effects. Which is also okay and very similar to how people approach the flu vaccine.
Which is also okay, since I think in the next 18-24 months we're going to have more variants than you can shake a stick at, and the initial vaccine may or may not be effective.
I’ve given quite a bit of thought to freedom and liberty and in some respects the public health and financial crisis has passed so maybe the imperative is not there to force the issue and give people the opportunity to make an “informed decision”. I still think from a public health point of view it’s important we continue to be vigilant such that the only person accountable for A Covid hospitalization or death is the individual choosing not to take the vaccine.
