99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people
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Individual choice.
You can try to persuade, but in the end, it's individual choice.
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Darwin.
Proud supporter of Plan 2525. Everything you think, do and say will be in the pill you took today.
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@doctor-phibes said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
Darwin.
And they may be more fit than you.
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Delta variant may be deadlier:
The Delta strain has a cluster of mutations, including one known as L452R, that helps it infect human cells more easily.
“This variant is even more transmissible than the UK (Alpha) variant, which was more transmissible than the version of the virus we were dealing with last year,” US Surgeon General Dr. Vivek Murthy said.
In addition to increased transmissibility, “it may be associated with an increased disease severity, such as hospitalization risk,” said Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.
An analysis of 38,805 sequenced cases in England showed the Delta variant carried 2.61 times the risk of hospitalization within 14 days compared with the Alpha variant, when variables such as age, sex, ethnicity and vaccination status were taken into consideration.
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Using the theory that the virus is going to become less dangerous as an excuse to not get vaccinated seems more than a bit daft.
We don't know what's going to happen 6 weeks from now, never mind 6 months or a year.
Sure, people have the right not to get vaccinated, but let's not defend them not doing so. It's a bloody stupid idea.
Proud supporter of Plan 2525. Everything you think, do and say will be in the pill you took today.
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@doctor-phibes said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
Sure, people have the right not to get vaccinated, but let's not defend them not doing so. It's a bloody stupid idea.
Apparently it may have been stupid for me to get vaccinated.
Here is a study that says it was not needed since I already had the antibodies: https://www.healthline.com/health-news/new-study-determines-people-whove-had-covid-19-dont-need-to-get-vaccinated
Of course some experts say the shots are still absolutely required: https://www.uchicagomedicine.org/forefront/coronavirus-disease-covid-19/do-i-need-a-vaccine-if-i-had-covid
This proves the experts may not know what they are talking about.
So, if you want to sound like an expert, spread the word that not getting the vaccine is a bloody stupid idea.
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@doctor-phibes said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
Sure, people have the right not to get vaccinated, but let's not defend them not doing so. It's a bloody stupid idea.
It's an awful lot of latitude given under the guise of "tolerate and respect individual choices" when it's coming from the same political subset that is in no way tolerant of individual choices when it comes to quite a few other decisions that aren't potentially life or death.
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At this point I think there are enough warnings that if a person gets Covid and dies it is on them. If businesses want to enforce some sort of criteria as in masks and proof of vaccine it should be their choice using the same logic.
I am reminded of the guy who doesn’t have to bake the cake, in this case it is his right as a company and an employer.
For me we need to tie optionality to accountability. The problem area is when an unvaccinated person gives covid to another unvaccinated person, can the second person sue?
And please stay home if you are unvaccinated.
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@loki said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
I am reminded of the guy who doesn’t have to bake the cake, in this case it is his right as a company and an employer.
I'm reminded of a lot of things.
The cake guy has the freedom to choose who he does business with, but not the couple who wants to get married. Not if I had it my way, anyway.
We're for people being free to make decisions that put everyone else around them at risk, but not for women to make decisions to save their own lives.
We're pretending this is a freedom issue and not an arbitrary political one.
Please love yourself.
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@aqua-letifer said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
@loki said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
I am reminded of the guy who doesn’t have to bake the cake, in this case it is his right as a company and an employer.
I'm reminded of a lot of things.
The cake guy has the freedom to choose who he does business with, but not the couple who wants to get married. Not if I had it my way, anyway.
We're for people being free to make decisions that put everyone else around them at risk, but not for women to make decisions to save their own lives.
We're pretending this is a freedom issue and not an arbitrary political one.
People are already free not to get the vaccination, and even your side, at least the individuals representing it here, wouldn't have it any other way. So, it seems there is widespread agreement that freedom to make this choice is important.
Unless anybody would like to make a case for enforcing vaccinations for everybody without more pressing health concerns? Have at it...
Education is extremely important.
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@horace said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
People are already free not to get the vaccination, and even your side, at least the individuals representing it here, wouldn't have it any other way. So, it seems there is widespread agreement that freedom to make this choice is important.
Unless anybody would like to make a case for enforcing vaccinations for everybody without more pressing health concerns? Have at it...Of course they're free to do so. But I'm not defending their obviously stupid decision, let alone patting them on the back for being a Free Thinker or turning their stupidity into some Patrick Henry lesson about freedom.
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Great advice.
https://www.ky3.com/2021/07/02/coxhealth-ceo-vaccine-opponents-should-shut-up/
Great article.
For those who don’t know Springfield Missouri has been called the buckle of the Bible Belt.
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Significantly less than 100% of people are choosing to get the vaccine, and anti-vax rhetoric exists. Choose your emotional reaction.
It would be nice if the indignant folk gave an impression that they differentiated between purveyors of anti-vax rhetoric, and those who speak up about the value of the freedom to make the choice individually.
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@horace said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
It would be nice if the indignant folk gave an impression that they differentiated between purveyors of anti-vax rhetoric, and those who speak up about the value of the freedom to make the choice individually.
It would be nice if the folks who only want to talk about freedom actually admit that, all things being equal and exceptions aside, it's much dumber to not get vaccinated.
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@horace said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
Significantly less than 100% of people are choosing to get the vaccine, and anti-vax rhetoric exists. Choose your emotional reaction.
It would be nice if the indignant folk gave an impression that they differentiated between purveyors of anti-vax rhetoric, and those who speak up about the value of the freedom to make the choice individually.
I have the freedom to parade about Boston Common dressed in women's underwear. Doesn't make it a good idea, and it's not something I'd expect anybody to defend.
The right freaking hate it when people choose to do something they disapprove of, but this act is apparently OK as a way of demonstrating American values.
As you would undoubtedly say under different circumstances, idiots.
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What is the chance of catching covid and having it cause a problem?
What is the chance of the vaccine causing a problem?
For many people the answer to both questions is, almost zero and the answer to both is uncertain.
Based on available information, they are not really dumb or stupid whichever way they go.
I got the virus with no big problem - a few days of discomfit.
I got the vaccine with no big problem - a few days of discomfit.
Was the vaccine dumb, stupid overkill? Maybe.
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@copper said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
What is the chance of catching covid and having it cause a problem?
Well, in the United States, it's about 600,000/350,000,000 for fatalities.
Other problems? Well, that number is higher - a LOT higher. I've seen one report that as many as 25% of survivors have some long-term effects. My neighbor Joe ended up with a trach, and is wheelchair bound. D2 still can't smell. I'd say those are problems.
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@aqua-letifer said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
@horace said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
It would be nice if the indignant folk gave an impression that they differentiated between purveyors of anti-vax rhetoric, and those who speak up about the value of the freedom to make the choice individually.
It would be nice if the folks who only want to talk about freedom actually admit that, all things being equal and exceptions aside, it's much dumber to not get vaccinated.
It's on the dumb/ignorant/selfish side, as decisions go. But it doesn't move my outrage meter much.
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Now, here's the problem...Viruses gotta virus. We have a Delta variant. Apparently we also have a Lambda variant.
I promise you, we will have more.
I suspect our current vaccine will not work against all variants. In fact, I suspect some of the variants will arise out of the vaccinated population.
So...What are you going to do? Shutting the country down again is not an option. Getting rid of the virus, is not an option. What we are likely to do, is treat COVID much like we have treated the flu, with a yearly, best-guess concoction that may or may not work. And just like the flu vaccine, we'll have plenty of people who simply do not take it, for whatever reason.
It's not going to be pretty at times, but it's going to be life.
Thank the Chinese for creating COVID in their weapons lab and give Fauci a pat on the head for helping fund gain-of-function research in the that lab...
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The data is in. Choosing to not vaccinate is mostly political.
