99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people
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@george-k said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
@loki said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
n a couple of days daily deaths will likely be the second highest for South Africa since the pandemic began. Cold comfort.
Yes.
As @bachophile said, a less-deadly virus which is more infectious is worse that a more deadly-virus that is less infectious, when viewed through the prism of the impact on a group.
Absolutely, but we are at a point where nearly 60% of the population is vaccinated, a much higher percentage of adults, and the less vaccinated younger folk are still at a much lower threat from the disease. The most dominant form of the disease is far more virulent than the original but is also far milder. Hospitalizations are lower, CFR is lower, and it seems like even long time effects such as those your daughter is suffering through are also far lower. I think it’s safe to start worrying more about the billions of unvaccinated in other countries a bit more than the minority here.
@lufins-dad said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
The most dominant form of the disease is far more virulent than the original but is also far milder.
No, the most dominant is much less virulent. But much more infectious (as you say in the second part of your post).
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Too much beer…
@lufins-dad said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
Too much beer…
There's absolutely nothing wrong with that.
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Vaccines: everyone thinks differently and are free to conclude differently from you, or myself. They pose no threat to me, so live and let live.
Liberals: fucking libtard motherfuckers are a disease on modern society!
@aqua-letifer said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
Vaccines: everyone thinks differently and are free to conclude differently from you, or myself. They pose no threat to me, so live and let live.
Liberals: fucking libtard motherfuckers are a disease on modern society!
Nobody said they pose no threat. But unless you'd like to go full Nazi, I don't see where you will achieve the vaccination rate you seek.
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@loki said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
@horace said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
@loki said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
I believe in this case respecting the choices of others is actually deadly and harmful to the nation’s best interests.
Other than emoting one's disgust for those who don't get vaccinated, what form should this disrespect take, in your opinion?
Combating the mistruths about the vaccines, educating people on the harm of a slow path to herd immunity, and pointing out when someone talks of a cardiac case or death of a vaccinated person that overwhelmingly more good than harm has come from the vaccine and the person making the point of the exceptional case may have an ulterior motive or talking out of lack of education.
Perhaps a discussion on freedom for the individual is wrapped in the common good.
We have now administered over 3 billion doses of vaccines around the world. This is not some study of 52 people that appears on social media every day about the wonders of….let’s say radishes.
Sounds good, more power to you. Just don't expect all that to change many minds.
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Found out recently a 61-year-old acquaintance died from COVID mid-May. Not so old, unknown if she had any of the "factors" that make your odds worse, but I do know she was not vaccinated.
I am worried about my 83-year-old Dad, who remains unvaccinated and thinks he is too healthy to not withstand it.
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Our next door neighbour isn't getting it, and she's in her 70's, with a number of health conditions. What can you say? She listens to a lot of stuff from people at her local church, which is more than a little out there IMHO. She's a very nice lady, but trusts the wrong people.
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Darwin.
@doctor-phibes said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
Darwin.
And they may be more fit than you.
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Delta variant may be deadlier:
The Delta strain has a cluster of mutations, including one known as L452R, that helps it infect human cells more easily.
“This variant is even more transmissible than the UK (Alpha) variant, which was more transmissible than the version of the virus we were dealing with last year,” US Surgeon General Dr. Vivek Murthy said.
In addition to increased transmissibility, “it may be associated with an increased disease severity, such as hospitalization risk,” said Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.
An analysis of 38,805 sequenced cases in England showed the Delta variant carried 2.61 times the risk of hospitalization within 14 days compared with the Alpha variant, when variables such as age, sex, ethnicity and vaccination status were taken into consideration.
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Using the theory that the virus is going to become less dangerous as an excuse to not get vaccinated seems more than a bit daft.
We don't know what's going to happen 6 weeks from now, never mind 6 months or a year.
Sure, people have the right not to get vaccinated, but let's not defend them not doing so. It's a bloody stupid idea.
I was only joking
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Using the theory that the virus is going to become less dangerous as an excuse to not get vaccinated seems more than a bit daft.
We don't know what's going to happen 6 weeks from now, never mind 6 months or a year.
Sure, people have the right not to get vaccinated, but let's not defend them not doing so. It's a bloody stupid idea.
@doctor-phibes said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
Sure, people have the right not to get vaccinated, but let's not defend them not doing so. It's a bloody stupid idea.
Apparently it may have been stupid for me to get vaccinated.
Here is a study that says it was not needed since I already had the antibodies: https://www.healthline.com/health-news/new-study-determines-people-whove-had-covid-19-dont-need-to-get-vaccinated
Of course some experts say the shots are still absolutely required: https://www.uchicagomedicine.org/forefront/coronavirus-disease-covid-19/do-i-need-a-vaccine-if-i-had-covid
This proves the experts may not know what they are talking about.
So, if you want to sound like an expert, spread the word that not getting the vaccine is a bloody stupid idea.
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Using the theory that the virus is going to become less dangerous as an excuse to not get vaccinated seems more than a bit daft.
We don't know what's going to happen 6 weeks from now, never mind 6 months or a year.
Sure, people have the right not to get vaccinated, but let's not defend them not doing so. It's a bloody stupid idea.
@doctor-phibes said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
Sure, people have the right not to get vaccinated, but let's not defend them not doing so. It's a bloody stupid idea.
It's an awful lot of latitude given under the guise of "tolerate and respect individual choices" when it's coming from the same political subset that is in no way tolerant of individual choices when it comes to quite a few other decisions that aren't potentially life or death.
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At this point I think there are enough warnings that if a person gets Covid and dies it is on them. If businesses want to enforce some sort of criteria as in masks and proof of vaccine it should be their choice using the same logic.
I am reminded of the guy who doesn’t have to bake the cake, in this case it is his right as a company and an employer.
For me we need to tie optionality to accountability. The problem area is when an unvaccinated person gives covid to another unvaccinated person, can the second person sue?
And please stay home if you are unvaccinated.
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At this point I think there are enough warnings that if a person gets Covid and dies it is on them. If businesses want to enforce some sort of criteria as in masks and proof of vaccine it should be their choice using the same logic.
I am reminded of the guy who doesn’t have to bake the cake, in this case it is his right as a company and an employer.
For me we need to tie optionality to accountability. The problem area is when an unvaccinated person gives covid to another unvaccinated person, can the second person sue?
And please stay home if you are unvaccinated.
@loki said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
I am reminded of the guy who doesn’t have to bake the cake, in this case it is his right as a company and an employer.
I'm reminded of a lot of things.
The cake guy has the freedom to choose who he does business with, but not the couple who wants to get married. Not if I had it my way, anyway.
We're for people being free to make decisions that put everyone else around them at risk, but not for women to make decisions to save their own lives.
We're pretending this is a freedom issue and not an arbitrary political one.
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@loki said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
I am reminded of the guy who doesn’t have to bake the cake, in this case it is his right as a company and an employer.
I'm reminded of a lot of things.
The cake guy has the freedom to choose who he does business with, but not the couple who wants to get married. Not if I had it my way, anyway.
We're for people being free to make decisions that put everyone else around them at risk, but not for women to make decisions to save their own lives.
We're pretending this is a freedom issue and not an arbitrary political one.
@aqua-letifer said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
@loki said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
I am reminded of the guy who doesn’t have to bake the cake, in this case it is his right as a company and an employer.
I'm reminded of a lot of things.
The cake guy has the freedom to choose who he does business with, but not the couple who wants to get married. Not if I had it my way, anyway.
We're for people being free to make decisions that put everyone else around them at risk, but not for women to make decisions to save their own lives.
We're pretending this is a freedom issue and not an arbitrary political one.
People are already free not to get the vaccination, and even your side, at least the individuals representing it here, wouldn't have it any other way. So, it seems there is widespread agreement that freedom to make this choice is important.
Unless anybody would like to make a case for enforcing vaccinations for everybody without more pressing health concerns? Have at it...
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@aqua-letifer said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
@loki said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
I am reminded of the guy who doesn’t have to bake the cake, in this case it is his right as a company and an employer.
I'm reminded of a lot of things.
The cake guy has the freedom to choose who he does business with, but not the couple who wants to get married. Not if I had it my way, anyway.
We're for people being free to make decisions that put everyone else around them at risk, but not for women to make decisions to save their own lives.
We're pretending this is a freedom issue and not an arbitrary political one.
People are already free not to get the vaccination, and even your side, at least the individuals representing it here, wouldn't have it any other way. So, it seems there is widespread agreement that freedom to make this choice is important.
Unless anybody would like to make a case for enforcing vaccinations for everybody without more pressing health concerns? Have at it...
@horace said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
People are already free not to get the vaccination, and even your side, at least the individuals representing it here, wouldn't have it any other way. So, it seems there is widespread agreement that freedom to make this choice is important.
Unless anybody would like to make a case for enforcing vaccinations for everybody without more pressing health concerns? Have at it...Of course they're free to do so. But I'm not defending their obviously stupid decision, let alone patting them on the back for being a Free Thinker or turning their stupidity into some Patrick Henry lesson about freedom.
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Great advice.
https://www.ky3.com/2021/07/02/coxhealth-ceo-vaccine-opponents-should-shut-up/
Great article.
For those who don’t know Springfield Missouri has been called the buckle of the Bible Belt.
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Significantly less than 100% of people are choosing to get the vaccine, and anti-vax rhetoric exists. Choose your emotional reaction.
It would be nice if the indignant folk gave an impression that they differentiated between purveyors of anti-vax rhetoric, and those who speak up about the value of the freedom to make the choice individually.
Education is extremely important.
