99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people
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@lufins-dad said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
CFR rate has been dropping.
And that's true in South Africa (which was mentioned earlier).
Cases rising, CFR falling.
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CFR of various diseases:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_human_disease_case_fatality_rates
You don't want to get rabies or spongiform encephalopathy.
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@loki said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
n a couple of days daily deaths will likely be the second highest for South Africa since the pandemic began. Cold comfort.
Yes.
As @bachophile said, a less-deadly virus which is more infectious is worse that a more deadly-virus that is less infectious, when viewed through the prism of the impact on a group.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@george-k said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
@loki said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
n a couple of days daily deaths will likely be the second highest for South Africa since the pandemic began. Cold comfort.
Yes.
As @bachophile said, a less-deadly virus which is more infectious is worse that a more deadly-virus that is less infectious, when viewed through the prism of the impact on a group.
Absolutely, but we are at a point where nearly 60% of the population is vaccinated, a much higher percentage of adults, and the less vaccinated younger folk are still at a much lower threat from the disease. The most dominant form of the disease is far more virulent than the original but is also far milder. Hospitalizations are lower, CFR is lower, and it seems like even long time effects such as those your daughter is suffering through are also far lower. I think it’s safe to start worrying more about the billions of unvaccinated in other countries a bit more than the minority here.
Me/rry/Christmas
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@lufins-dad said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
The most dominant form of the disease is far more virulent than the original but is also far milder.
No, the most dominant is much less virulent. But much more infectious (as you say in the second part of your post).
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Too much beer…
Me/rry/Christmas
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@lufins-dad said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
Too much beer…
There's absolutely nothing wrong with that.
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@aqua-letifer said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
Vaccines: everyone thinks differently and are free to conclude differently from you, or myself. They pose no threat to me, so live and let live.
Liberals: fucking libtard motherfuckers are a disease on modern society!
Nobody said they pose no threat. But unless you'd like to go full Nazi, I don't see where you will achieve the vaccination rate you seek.
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Found out recently a 61-year-old acquaintance died from COVID mid-May. Not so old, unknown if she had any of the "factors" that make your odds worse, but I do know she was not vaccinated.
I am worried about my 83-year-old Dad, who remains unvaccinated and thinks he is too healthy to not withstand it.
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Our next door neighbour isn't getting it, and she's in her 70's, with a number of health conditions. What can you say? She listens to a lot of stuff from people at her local church, which is more than a little out there IMHO. She's a very nice lady, but trusts the wrong people.
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Individual choice.
You can try to persuade, but in the end, it's individual choice.
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Darwin.
Proud supporter of Plan 2525. Everything you think, do and say will be in the pill you took today.
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@doctor-phibes said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
Darwin.
And they may be more fit than you.
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Delta variant may be deadlier:
The Delta strain has a cluster of mutations, including one known as L452R, that helps it infect human cells more easily.
“This variant is even more transmissible than the UK (Alpha) variant, which was more transmissible than the version of the virus we were dealing with last year,” US Surgeon General Dr. Vivek Murthy said.
In addition to increased transmissibility, “it may be associated with an increased disease severity, such as hospitalization risk,” said Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.
An analysis of 38,805 sequenced cases in England showed the Delta variant carried 2.61 times the risk of hospitalization within 14 days compared with the Alpha variant, when variables such as age, sex, ethnicity and vaccination status were taken into consideration.
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Using the theory that the virus is going to become less dangerous as an excuse to not get vaccinated seems more than a bit daft.
We don't know what's going to happen 6 weeks from now, never mind 6 months or a year.
Sure, people have the right not to get vaccinated, but let's not defend them not doing so. It's a bloody stupid idea.
Proud supporter of Plan 2525. Everything you think, do and say will be in the pill you took today.
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@doctor-phibes said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
Sure, people have the right not to get vaccinated, but let's not defend them not doing so. It's a bloody stupid idea.
Apparently it may have been stupid for me to get vaccinated.
Here is a study that says it was not needed since I already had the antibodies: https://www.healthline.com/health-news/new-study-determines-people-whove-had-covid-19-dont-need-to-get-vaccinated
Of course some experts say the shots are still absolutely required: https://www.uchicagomedicine.org/forefront/coronavirus-disease-covid-19/do-i-need-a-vaccine-if-i-had-covid
This proves the experts may not know what they are talking about.
So, if you want to sound like an expert, spread the word that not getting the vaccine is a bloody stupid idea.
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@doctor-phibes said in 99.2% of recent Covid deaths are unvaccinated people:
Sure, people have the right not to get vaccinated, but let's not defend them not doing so. It's a bloody stupid idea.
It's an awful lot of latitude given under the guise of "tolerate and respect individual choices" when it's coming from the same political subset that is in no way tolerant of individual choices when it comes to quite a few other decisions that aren't potentially life or death.
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At this point I think there are enough warnings that if a person gets Covid and dies it is on them. If businesses want to enforce some sort of criteria as in masks and proof of vaccine it should be their choice using the same logic.
I am reminded of the guy who doesn’t have to bake the cake, in this case it is his right as a company and an employer.
For me we need to tie optionality to accountability. The problem area is when an unvaccinated person gives covid to another unvaccinated person, can the second person sue?
And please stay home if you are unvaccinated.
