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The Great Resignation

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  • LuFins DadL Offline
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    LuFins Dad
    wrote on last edited by
    #9

    I’ve got a friend that is a project lead for Lockheed. He is losing engineers, because other companies are offering lower wages, but telework…

    The Brad

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    • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

      I’ve got a friend that is a project lead for Lockheed. He is losing engineers, because other companies are offering lower wages, but telework…

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      Loki
      wrote on last edited by
      #10

      @lufins-dad said in The Great Resignation:

      I’ve got a friend that is a project lead for Lockheed. He is losing engineers, because other companies are offering lower wages, but telework…

      Well maybe it’s a trend, just as companies stopped having the ability to get people to move. I get how much it saves companies with not having to pay for office space and all those costs and now lowering wages but I still believe the ultimate cost will be loss of loyalty, passion and that extra 20% you get from loyal motivated employees.

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        Axtremus
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        #11

        Not all jobs can be done via telework. If you need to physically test jet engines, it is highly unlikely that you can that from home. So I can understand that some jobs at a company like Lockheed cannot be done via telework. Most software jobs though, there is very little reason to need to go into the office these days except for some collaborative design sessions where white boarding can help enormously. Despite advances in teleconferencing and "smart board" technologies, the good old whiteboard is still hard to beat.

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        • JollyJ Offline
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          Jolly
          wrote on last edited by
          #12

          I've talked with a lot of managers who rode herd on work-at-home employees. With an occasional exception, productivity tends to fall over time.

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • JollyJ Jolly

            Never say never.

            Aqua LetiferA Offline
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            Aqua Letifer
            wrote on last edited by Aqua Letifer
            #13

            @jolly said in The Great Resignation:

            Never say never.

            Quote me on it later if you like.

            Please love yourself.

            JollyJ 1 Reply Last reply
            • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

              @jolly said in The Great Resignation:

              Never say never.

              Quote me on it later if you like.

              JollyJ Offline
              JollyJ Offline
              Jolly
              wrote on last edited by
              #14

              @aqua-letifer said in The Great Resignation:

              @jolly said in The Great Resignation:

              Never say never.

              Quote me on it later if you like.

              When your kids are hungry, you work or steal. I suspect you'll work.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

              Aqua LetiferA 1 Reply Last reply
              • JollyJ Jolly

                @aqua-letifer said in The Great Resignation:

                @jolly said in The Great Resignation:

                Never say never.

                Quote me on it later if you like.

                When your kids are hungry, you work or steal. I suspect you'll work.

                Aqua LetiferA Offline
                Aqua LetiferA Offline
                Aqua Letifer
                wrote on last edited by
                #15

                @jolly said in The Great Resignation:

                @aqua-letifer said in The Great Resignation:

                @jolly said in The Great Resignation:

                Never say never.

                Quote me on it later if you like.

                When your kids are hungry, you work or steal. I suspect you'll work.

                I think I'd be okay at stealing stuff.

                Please love yourself.

                JollyJ 1 Reply Last reply
                • L Loki

                  I think it’s a bit early to say there is a fundamental change although it is possible.

                  In my lifetime corporations have moved from stakeholder capitalism to shareholder capitalism so it’s no no surprise employees are not so loyal to their companies and now are saying maybe somewhere else is better.

                  They will work again. Separating one’s work identity from personal identity is a fool’s game. And most people soon enough tire of their free time. They have no clue how to spend it. Also people want stuff, no one has suggested that the consumer economy is dead, in fact it’s overheated. As soon as the money dries up and people have an identity crisis we will see how the chips ultimately land. Pundits are way out over their skis.

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                  brenda
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #16

                  @loki said in The Great Resignation:

                  most people soon enough tire of their free time.

                  People who aren't sufficiently creative will tire of their free time. Hubby and I don't have that problem. We can always think of multiple new projects, and we love being creative. Even if hubby would start to have trouble thinking of his next project, I can always help inspire him. LOL

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                  • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                    @jolly said in The Great Resignation:

                    @aqua-letifer said in The Great Resignation:

                    @jolly said in The Great Resignation:

                    Never say never.

                    Quote me on it later if you like.

                    When your kids are hungry, you work or steal. I suspect you'll work.

                    I think I'd be okay at stealing stuff.

                    JollyJ Offline
                    JollyJ Offline
                    Jolly
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #17

                    @aqua-letifer said in The Great Resignation:

                    @jolly said in The Great Resignation:

                    @aqua-letifer said in The Great Resignation:

                    @jolly said in The Great Resignation:

                    Never say never.

                    Quote me on it later if you like.

                    When your kids are hungry, you work or steal. I suspect you'll work.

                    I think I'd be okay at stealing stuff.

                    Then you go to jail and your kids go hungry. Without a father.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

                    Aqua LetiferA 1 Reply Last reply
                    • JollyJ Jolly

                      @aqua-letifer said in The Great Resignation:

                      @jolly said in The Great Resignation:

                      @aqua-letifer said in The Great Resignation:

                      @jolly said in The Great Resignation:

                      Never say never.

                      Quote me on it later if you like.

                      When your kids are hungry, you work or steal. I suspect you'll work.

                      I think I'd be okay at stealing stuff.

                      Then you go to jail and your kids go hungry. Without a father.

                      Aqua LetiferA Offline
                      Aqua LetiferA Offline
                      Aqua Letifer
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #18

                      @jolly said in The Great Resignation:

                      @aqua-letifer said in The Great Resignation:

                      @jolly said in The Great Resignation:

                      @aqua-letifer said in The Great Resignation:

                      @jolly said in The Great Resignation:

                      Never say never.

                      Quote me on it later if you like.

                      When your kids are hungry, you work or steal. I suspect you'll work.

                      I think I'd be okay at stealing stuff.

                      Then you go to jail and your kids go hungry. Without a father.

                      Gotta get caught, which everyone knows is for suckers.

                      Please love yourself.

                      JollyJ 1 Reply Last reply
                      • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                        @jolly said in The Great Resignation:

                        @aqua-letifer said in The Great Resignation:

                        @jolly said in The Great Resignation:

                        @aqua-letifer said in The Great Resignation:

                        @jolly said in The Great Resignation:

                        Never say never.

                        Quote me on it later if you like.

                        When your kids are hungry, you work or steal. I suspect you'll work.

                        I think I'd be okay at stealing stuff.

                        Then you go to jail and your kids go hungry. Without a father.

                        Gotta get caught, which everyone knows is for suckers.

                        JollyJ Offline
                        JollyJ Offline
                        Jolly
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #19

                        @aqua-letifer said in The Great Resignation:

                        @jolly said in The Great Resignation:

                        @aqua-letifer said in The Great Resignation:

                        @jolly said in The Great Resignation:

                        @aqua-letifer said in The Great Resignation:

                        @jolly said in The Great Resignation:

                        Never say never.

                        Quote me on it later if you like.

                        When your kids are hungry, you work or steal. I suspect you'll work.

                        I think I'd be okay at stealing stuff.

                        Then you go to jail and your kids go hungry. Without a father.

                        Gotta get caught, which everyone knows is for suckers.

                        Keep telling yourself that. I've worked with or around those idiots for forty years. None of them are as smart as they think they are.😀

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

                        Aqua LetiferA 1 Reply Last reply
                        • JollyJ Jolly

                          @aqua-letifer said in The Great Resignation:

                          @jolly said in The Great Resignation:

                          @aqua-letifer said in The Great Resignation:

                          @jolly said in The Great Resignation:

                          @aqua-letifer said in The Great Resignation:

                          @jolly said in The Great Resignation:

                          Never say never.

                          Quote me on it later if you like.

                          When your kids are hungry, you work or steal. I suspect you'll work.

                          I think I'd be okay at stealing stuff.

                          Then you go to jail and your kids go hungry. Without a father.

                          Gotta get caught, which everyone knows is for suckers.

                          Keep telling yourself that. I've worked with or around those idiots for forty years. None of them are as smart as they think they are.😀

                          Aqua LetiferA Offline
                          Aqua LetiferA Offline
                          Aqua Letifer
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #20

                          @jolly said in The Great Resignation:

                          @aqua-letifer said in The Great Resignation:

                          @jolly said in The Great Resignation:

                          @aqua-letifer said in The Great Resignation:

                          @jolly said in The Great Resignation:

                          @aqua-letifer said in The Great Resignation:

                          @jolly said in The Great Resignation:

                          Never say never.

                          Quote me on it later if you like.

                          When your kids are hungry, you work or steal. I suspect you'll work.

                          I think I'd be okay at stealing stuff.

                          Then you go to jail and your kids go hungry. Without a father.

                          Gotta get caught, which everyone knows is for suckers.

                          Keep telling yourself that. I've worked with or around those idiots for forty years. None of them are as smart as they think they are.😀

                          Of course! They're in jail!

                          Please love yourself.

                          JollyJ 1 Reply Last reply
                          • brendaB brenda

                            @loki said in The Great Resignation:

                            most people soon enough tire of their free time.

                            People who aren't sufficiently creative will tire of their free time. Hubby and I don't have that problem. We can always think of multiple new projects, and we love being creative. Even if hubby would start to have trouble thinking of his next project, I can always help inspire him. LOL

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                            Loki
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #21

                            @brenda said in The Great Resignation:

                            @loki said in The Great Resignation:

                            most people soon enough tire of their free time.

                            People who aren't sufficiently creative will tire of their free time. Hubby and I don't have that problem. We can always think of multiple new projects, and we love being creative. Even if hubby would start to have trouble thinking of his next project, I can always help inspire him. LOL

                            I envy you and I agree with your comments. I am so addicted to problem solving but have terrible motor skills so I continue to be stuck. 🤦‍♂️

                            Aqua LetiferA 1 Reply Last reply
                            • L Loki

                              @brenda said in The Great Resignation:

                              @loki said in The Great Resignation:

                              most people soon enough tire of their free time.

                              People who aren't sufficiently creative will tire of their free time. Hubby and I don't have that problem. We can always think of multiple new projects, and we love being creative. Even if hubby would start to have trouble thinking of his next project, I can always help inspire him. LOL

                              I envy you and I agree with your comments. I am so addicted to problem solving but have terrible motor skills so I continue to be stuck. 🤦‍♂️

                              Aqua LetiferA Offline
                              Aqua LetiferA Offline
                              Aqua Letifer
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #22

                              @loki said in The Great Resignation:

                              @brenda said in The Great Resignation:

                              @loki said in The Great Resignation:

                              most people soon enough tire of their free time.

                              People who aren't sufficiently creative will tire of their free time. Hubby and I don't have that problem. We can always think of multiple new projects, and we love being creative. Even if hubby would start to have trouble thinking of his next project, I can always help inspire him. LOL

                              I envy you and I agree with your comments. I am so addicted to problem solving but have terrible motor skills so I continue to be stuck. 🤦‍♂️

                              Coding? Philosophy?

                              Please love yourself.

                              L 1 Reply Last reply
                              • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                                @jolly said in The Great Resignation:

                                @aqua-letifer said in The Great Resignation:

                                @jolly said in The Great Resignation:

                                @aqua-letifer said in The Great Resignation:

                                @jolly said in The Great Resignation:

                                @aqua-letifer said in The Great Resignation:

                                @jolly said in The Great Resignation:

                                Never say never.

                                Quote me on it later if you like.

                                When your kids are hungry, you work or steal. I suspect you'll work.

                                I think I'd be okay at stealing stuff.

                                Then you go to jail and your kids go hungry. Without a father.

                                Gotta get caught, which everyone knows is for suckers.

                                Keep telling yourself that. I've worked with or around those idiots for forty years. None of them are as smart as they think they are.😀

                                Of course! They're in jail!

                                JollyJ Offline
                                JollyJ Offline
                                Jolly
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #23

                                @aqua-letifer said in The Great Resignation:

                                @jolly said in The Great Resignation:

                                @aqua-letifer said in The Great Resignation:

                                @jolly said in The Great Resignation:

                                @aqua-letifer said in The Great Resignation:

                                @jolly said in The Great Resignation:

                                @aqua-letifer said in The Great Resignation:

                                @jolly said in The Great Resignation:

                                Never say never.

                                Quote me on it later if you like.

                                When your kids are hungry, you work or steal. I suspect you'll work.

                                I think I'd be okay at stealing stuff.

                                Then you go to jail and your kids go hungry. Without a father.

                                Gotta get caught, which everyone knows is for suckers.

                                Keep telling yourself that. I've worked with or around those idiots for forty years. None of them are as smart as they think they are.😀

                                Of course! They're in jail!

                                Smoked bologna and white beans over rice ain't bad, especially with corn bread...

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

                                Aqua LetiferA 1 Reply Last reply
                                • JollyJ Jolly

                                  @aqua-letifer said in The Great Resignation:

                                  @jolly said in The Great Resignation:

                                  @aqua-letifer said in The Great Resignation:

                                  @jolly said in The Great Resignation:

                                  @aqua-letifer said in The Great Resignation:

                                  @jolly said in The Great Resignation:

                                  @aqua-letifer said in The Great Resignation:

                                  @jolly said in The Great Resignation:

                                  Never say never.

                                  Quote me on it later if you like.

                                  When your kids are hungry, you work or steal. I suspect you'll work.

                                  I think I'd be okay at stealing stuff.

                                  Then you go to jail and your kids go hungry. Without a father.

                                  Gotta get caught, which everyone knows is for suckers.

                                  Keep telling yourself that. I've worked with or around those idiots for forty years. None of them are as smart as they think they are.😀

                                  Of course! They're in jail!

                                  Smoked bologna and white beans over rice ain't bad, especially with corn bread...

                                  Aqua LetiferA Offline
                                  Aqua LetiferA Offline
                                  Aqua Letifer
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #24

                                  @jolly said in The Great Resignation:

                                  @aqua-letifer said in The Great Resignation:

                                  @jolly said in The Great Resignation:

                                  @aqua-letifer said in The Great Resignation:

                                  @jolly said in The Great Resignation:

                                  @aqua-letifer said in The Great Resignation:

                                  @jolly said in The Great Resignation:

                                  @aqua-letifer said in The Great Resignation:

                                  @jolly said in The Great Resignation:

                                  Never say never.

                                  Quote me on it later if you like.

                                  When your kids are hungry, you work or steal. I suspect you'll work.

                                  I think I'd be okay at stealing stuff.

                                  Then you go to jail and your kids go hungry. Without a father.

                                  Gotta get caught, which everyone knows is for suckers.

                                  Keep telling yourself that. I've worked with or around those idiots for forty years. None of them are as smart as they think they are.😀

                                  Of course! They're in jail!

                                  Smoked bologna and white beans over rice ain't bad, especially with corn bread...

                                  I thought I was going to starve?

                                  Please love yourself.

                                  JollyJ 1 Reply Last reply
                                  • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                                    @jolly said in The Great Resignation:

                                    @aqua-letifer said in The Great Resignation:

                                    @jolly said in The Great Resignation:

                                    @aqua-letifer said in The Great Resignation:

                                    @jolly said in The Great Resignation:

                                    @aqua-letifer said in The Great Resignation:

                                    @jolly said in The Great Resignation:

                                    @aqua-letifer said in The Great Resignation:

                                    @jolly said in The Great Resignation:

                                    Never say never.

                                    Quote me on it later if you like.

                                    When your kids are hungry, you work or steal. I suspect you'll work.

                                    I think I'd be okay at stealing stuff.

                                    Then you go to jail and your kids go hungry. Without a father.

                                    Gotta get caught, which everyone knows is for suckers.

                                    Keep telling yourself that. I've worked with or around those idiots for forty years. None of them are as smart as they think they are.😀

                                    Of course! They're in jail!

                                    Smoked bologna and white beans over rice ain't bad, especially with corn bread...

                                    I thought I was going to starve?

                                    JollyJ Offline
                                    JollyJ Offline
                                    Jolly
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #25

                                    @aqua-letifer said in The Great Resignation:

                                    @jolly said in The Great Resignation:

                                    @aqua-letifer said in The Great Resignation:

                                    @jolly said in The Great Resignation:

                                    @aqua-letifer said in The Great Resignation:

                                    @jolly said in The Great Resignation:

                                    @aqua-letifer said in The Great Resignation:

                                    @jolly said in The Great Resignation:

                                    @aqua-letifer said in The Great Resignation:

                                    @jolly said in The Great Resignation:

                                    Never say never.

                                    Quote me on it later if you like.

                                    When your kids are hungry, you work or steal. I suspect you'll work.

                                    I think I'd be okay at stealing stuff.

                                    Then you go to jail and your kids go hungry. Without a father.

                                    Gotta get caught, which everyone knows is for suckers.

                                    Keep telling yourself that. I've worked with or around those idiots for forty years. None of them are as smart as they think they are.😀

                                    Of course! They're in jail!

                                    Smoked bologna and white beans over rice ain't bad, especially with corn bread...

                                    I thought I was going to starve?

                                    Nah, your kids will starve. You'll be in jail. Smoked bologna and beans appear on the menu at least twice on the 28-day Camp J rotation. Hard boiled eggs and oatmeal appear pretty often, too.

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                                      @loki said in The Great Resignation:

                                      @brenda said in The Great Resignation:

                                      @loki said in The Great Resignation:

                                      most people soon enough tire of their free time.

                                      People who aren't sufficiently creative will tire of their free time. Hubby and I don't have that problem. We can always think of multiple new projects, and we love being creative. Even if hubby would start to have trouble thinking of his next project, I can always help inspire him. LOL

                                      I envy you and I agree with your comments. I am so addicted to problem solving but have terrible motor skills so I continue to be stuck. 🤦‍♂️

                                      Coding? Philosophy?

                                      L Offline
                                      L Offline
                                      Loki
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #26

                                      @aqua-letifer said in The Great Resignation:

                                      @loki said in The Great Resignation:

                                      @brenda said in The Great Resignation:

                                      @loki said in The Great Resignation:

                                      most people soon enough tire of their free time.

                                      People who aren't sufficiently creative will tire of their free time. Hubby and I don't have that problem. We can always think of multiple new projects, and we love being creative. Even if hubby would start to have trouble thinking of his next project, I can always help inspire him. LOL

                                      I envy you and I agree with your comments. I am so addicted to problem solving but have terrible motor skills so I continue to be stuck. 🤦‍♂️

                                      Coding? Philosophy?

                                      No to coding, and partial with philosophy but it gets fairly obscure just as things get interesting. I see others here that could run circles around me.

                                      I am batting about 100% helping people with interviews and landing jobs. I could do that, be retired, and have a ton of fun.

                                      Thinking about it I only need to solve for about 5 hours a day to be happy being retired. I see that for many golf and bridge do that… just thinking about things that don’t involve manual or artistic labor. I thought about epicurean cooking but not that interesting.

                                      There has to be someone who knows how to solve for this. Most retirement books are about financial planning, one taking about living with finished expectations. Travel is another idea but it wouldn’t be persistent enough for me.

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                                      • L Loki

                                        @aqua-letifer said in The Great Resignation:

                                        @loki said in The Great Resignation:

                                        @brenda said in The Great Resignation:

                                        @loki said in The Great Resignation:

                                        most people soon enough tire of their free time.

                                        People who aren't sufficiently creative will tire of their free time. Hubby and I don't have that problem. We can always think of multiple new projects, and we love being creative. Even if hubby would start to have trouble thinking of his next project, I can always help inspire him. LOL

                                        I envy you and I agree with your comments. I am so addicted to problem solving but have terrible motor skills so I continue to be stuck. 🤦‍♂️

                                        Coding? Philosophy?

                                        No to coding, and partial with philosophy but it gets fairly obscure just as things get interesting. I see others here that could run circles around me.

                                        I am batting about 100% helping people with interviews and landing jobs. I could do that, be retired, and have a ton of fun.

                                        Thinking about it I only need to solve for about 5 hours a day to be happy being retired. I see that for many golf and bridge do that… just thinking about things that don’t involve manual or artistic labor. I thought about epicurean cooking but not that interesting.

                                        There has to be someone who knows how to solve for this. Most retirement books are about financial planning, one taking about living with finished expectations. Travel is another idea but it wouldn’t be persistent enough for me.

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                                        Jolly
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #27

                                        @loki said in The Great Resignation:

                                        @aqua-letifer said in The Great Resignation:

                                        @loki said in The Great Resignation:

                                        @brenda said in The Great Resignation:

                                        @loki said in The Great Resignation:

                                        most people soon enough tire of their free time.

                                        People who aren't sufficiently creative will tire of their free time. Hubby and I don't have that problem. We can always think of multiple new projects, and we love being creative. Even if hubby would start to have trouble thinking of his next project, I can always help inspire him. LOL

                                        I envy you and I agree with your comments. I am so addicted to problem solving but have terrible motor skills so I continue to be stuck. 🤦‍♂️

                                        Coding? Philosophy?

                                        No to coding, and partial with philosophy but it gets fairly obscure just as things get interesting. I see others here that could run circles around me.

                                        I am batting about 100% helping people with interviews and landing jobs. I could do that, be retired, and have a ton of fun.

                                        Thinking about it I only need to solve for about 5 hours a day to be happy being retired. I see that for many golf and bridge do that… just thinking about things that don’t involve manual or artistic labor. I thought about epicurean cooking but not that interesting.

                                        There has to be someone who knows how to solve for this. Most retirement books are about financial planning, one taking about living with finished expectations. Travel is another idea but it wouldn’t be persistent enough for me.

                                        Don't over-think it. It's not rocket surgery. Very simply put, have a reason to get up every morning.

                                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                          Loki
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #28

                                          A counter argument to work from home.

                                          https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2021/07/admit-it-you-miss-your-commute/619007/

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