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  • George KG Offline
    George KG Offline
    George K
    wrote on last edited by
    #19

    Screen Shot 2021-05-23 at 4.30.10 PM.png

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • RenaudaR Renauda

      @horace

      So now you're saying the US and its western allies should be sending a big Thank You card to Xi?

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      Horace
      wrote on last edited by
      #20

      @renauda said in Lab Leak?:

      @horace

      So now you're saying the US and its western allies should be sending a big Thank You card to Xi?

      No, I believe mass murder via bioweapons is wrong, full stop.

      Education is extremely important.

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      • RenaudaR Offline
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        Renauda
        wrote on last edited by
        #21

        You'll have to do better than that. I don't believe you. Never have.

        Elbows up!

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        • RenaudaR Renauda

          You'll have to do better than that. I don't believe you. Never have.

          HoraceH Offline
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          Horace
          wrote on last edited by
          #22

          @renauda said in Lab Leak?:

          You'll have to do better than that. I don't believe you. Never have.

          That post was parody, but I'm not going to tell you of what.

          Education is extremely important.

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          • HoraceH Horace

            @renauda said in Lab Leak?:

            You'll have to do better than that. I don't believe you. Never have.

            That post was parody, but I'm not going to tell you of what.

            RenaudaR Offline
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            Renauda
            wrote on last edited by Renauda
            #23

            @horace said in Lab Leak?:

            @renauda said in Lab Leak?:

            You'll have to do better than that. I don't believe you. Never have.

            That post was parody, but I'm not going to tell you of what.

            Yes, I was aware that it was a parody. Sadly I found it neither clever or amusing. I wonder why? But then, since my return to this forum about a year ago, I don't find your posts very clever or amusing at the best of times. It's really too bad, there was a time that you came across as talented and intelligent. Now you just come across as common and I do not believe much that you write. I'll just leave it at that.

            Elbows up!

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            • RenaudaR Renauda

              @horace said in Lab Leak?:

              @renauda said in Lab Leak?:

              You'll have to do better than that. I don't believe you. Never have.

              That post was parody, but I'm not going to tell you of what.

              Yes, I was aware that it was a parody. Sadly I found it neither clever or amusing. I wonder why? But then, since my return to this forum about a year ago, I don't find your posts very clever or amusing at the best of times. It's really too bad, there was a time that you came across as talented and intelligent. Now you just come across as common and I do not believe much that you write. I'll just leave it at that.

              HoraceH Offline
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              Horace
              wrote on last edited by
              #24

              @renauda said in Lab Leak?:

              @horace said in Lab Leak?:

              @renauda said in Lab Leak?:

              You'll have to do better than that. I don't believe you. Never have.

              That post was parody, but I'm not going to tell you of what.

              Yes, I was aware that it was a parody. Sadly I found it neither clever or amusing. I wonder why? But then, since my return to this forum about a year ago, I don't find your posts very clever or amusing at the best of times. It's really too bad, there was a time that you came across as talented and intelligent. Now you just come across as common and I do not believe much that you write. I'll just leave it at that.

              Thanks for leaving it at that, before it became insulting. That was big of you.

              Education is extremely important.

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              • CopperC Online
                CopperC Online
                Copper
                wrote on last edited by
                #25

                @renauda said in Lab Leak?:

                I don't find your posts very clever or amusing

                To whom are you comparing him?

                Yourself!

                Hahahaha

                Nobody could ever be that clever and amusing!

                Give him a break.

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                • CopperC Copper

                  @renauda said in Lab Leak?:

                  I don't find your posts very clever or amusing

                  To whom are you comparing him?

                  Yourself!

                  Hahahaha

                  Nobody could ever be that clever and amusing!

                  Give him a break.

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                  Renauda
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #26

                  @copper

                  Of course I did. It could be no other way, although you are by far the most clever and amusing. Trenchant and stiletto sharp in your word craft. Wise beyond words.

                  Alas, I am no match. I'll go meekly back to where I belong.

                  Elbows up!

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                  • George KG Offline
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                    George K
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                    #27

                    The Chinese knew - in November 2019.

                    https://www.wsj.com/articles/intelligence-on-sick-staff-at-wuhan-lab-fuels-debate-on-covid-19-origin-11621796228?reflink=share_mobilewebshare

                    Three researchers from China’s Wuhan Institute of Virology became sick enough in November 2019 that they sought hospital care, according to a previously undisclosed U.S. intelligence report that could add weight to growing calls for a fuller probe of whether the Covid-19 virus may have escaped from the laboratory.

                    The details of the reporting go beyond a State Department fact sheet, issued during the final days of the Trump administration, which said that several researchers at the lab, a center for the study of coronaviruses and other pathogens, became sick in autumn 2019 “with symptoms consistent with both Covid-19 and common seasonal illness.”

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      LuFins Dad
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #28

                      https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/28/media/information-coronavirus-reliable-sources/index.html

                      The Brad

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                      • George KG Offline
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                        George K
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #29

                        Biden shuts down investigation by State Department:

                        https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/25/politics/biden-shut-down-trump-effort-coronavirus-chinese-lab/index.html

                        President Joe Biden's team shut down a closely-held State Department effort launched late in the Trump administration to prove the coronavirus originated in a Chinese lab over concerns about the quality of its work, according to three sources familiar with the decision.

                        The existence of the State Department inquiry and its termination this spring by the Biden administration -- neither of which has been previously reported -- comes to light amid renewed interest in whether the virus could have leaked out of a Wuhan lab with links to the Chinese military. The Biden administration is also facing scrutiny of its own efforts to determine if the Chinese government was responsible for the virus.

                        Those involved in the previously undisclosed inquiry, which was launched last fall by allies of then-Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, say it was an honest effort to probe what many initially dismissed: that China's biological weapons program could have had a greater role in the pandemic's origin in Wuhan, according to two additional sources.

                        But the inquiry quickly became mired in internal discord amid concerns that it was part of a broader politicized effort by the Trump administration to blame China and cherry-pick facts to prove a theory.

                        I'm sure that "The Big Guy's" administration won't cherry pick facts to disprove the theory, amirite?

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          Loki
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #30

                          The trajectory on these things if history repeats, is once the snowball starts gaining momentum there is no stopping it.

                          What would an adequate remedy be should China be responsible?

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                            Loki
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #31

                            The price of poker just went up.

                            https://www.wsj.com/articles/biden-calls-for-intelligence-report-on-origins-of-covid-19-11622049664

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                            • RainmanR Offline
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                              Rainman
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #32

                              @george-k said in Lab Leak?:

                              Those involved in the previously undisclosed inquiry, which was launched last fall by allies of then-Secretary of State Mike Pompeo

                              I'll read Loki's link in a moment.

                              The quote is from the CNN article. CNN?? What has happened to them over there?

                              OK. "allies of..." makes it more like CNN.

                              Why has this taken so long, and how long will it take "allies of..." the Biden admin to dismiss and bury the whole concept of the CCP doing something that would require some sort of action?

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                                Rainman
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #33

                                From Loki's link to the WSJ:
                                "Mr. Biden, who wants a report within 90 days, said that U.S. intelligence has focused on two scenarios—whether the coronavirus came from human contact with an infected animal or from a laboratory accident."

                                That's all? There could, or shall not be, any other possibilities to focus upon? Wonder what that third possibility might be? I'm sure asking a lot of sarcastic questions this morning.
                                Easier than thinking.

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                                • RainmanR Rainman

                                  @george-k said in Lab Leak?:

                                  Those involved in the previously undisclosed inquiry, which was launched last fall by allies of then-Secretary of State Mike Pompeo

                                  I'll read Loki's link in a moment.

                                  The quote is from the CNN article. CNN?? What has happened to them over there?

                                  OK. "allies of..." makes it more like CNN.

                                  Why has this taken so long, and how long will it take "allies of..." the Biden admin to dismiss and bury the whole concept of the CCP doing something that would require some sort of action?

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                                  Loki
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #34

                                  @rainman said in Lab Leak?:

                                  @george-k said in Lab Leak?:

                                  Those involved in the previously undisclosed inquiry, which was launched last fall by allies of then-Secretary of State Mike Pompeo

                                  I'll read Loki's link in a moment.

                                  The quote is from the CNN article. CNN?? What has happened to them over there?

                                  OK. "allies of..." makes it more like CNN.

                                  Why has this taken so long, and how long will it take "allies of..." the Biden admin to dismiss and bury the whole concept of the CCP doing something that would require some sort of action?

                                  It’s incredibly valuable to Biden in any negotiations with China. Why would he have a fake process only to squander leverage?

                                  Also now that Trump lost the election we can be more honest.

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                                  • RainmanR Rainman

                                    From Loki's link to the WSJ:
                                    "Mr. Biden, who wants a report within 90 days, said that U.S. intelligence has focused on two scenarios—whether the coronavirus came from human contact with an infected animal or from a laboratory accident."

                                    That's all? There could, or shall not be, any other possibilities to focus upon? Wonder what that third possibility might be? I'm sure asking a lot of sarcastic questions this morning.
                                    Easier than thinking.

                                    HoraceH Offline
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                                    Horace
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #35

                                    @rainman said in Lab Leak?:

                                    That's all? There could, or shall not be, any other possibilities to focus upon? Wonder what that third possibility might be?

                                    There's a chance that Trump created it by being an orange douche bag. I know what you're thinking: "But Trump is an idiotic orange douche bag, he wouldn't have the technical know-how to create a pandemic!". But in fact, the process is well understood in nearly its entirety:

                                    1. Be an orange douche bag
                                    2. ???
                                    3. Unleash pandemic on the world

                                    That's one single step away from being fully understood. So don't tell me that Trump "definitely" didn't create the virus - there is a strong possibility he did.

                                    Education is extremely important.

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                                      Rainman
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #36

                                      Yes, but people should not lose their focus along the way.
                                      We have nothing against China.
                                      It's the CCP that is the enemy that someday will need to be confronted. Tough job on our side, easy job for the CCP side.

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                                      • George KG George K

                                        Biden shuts down investigation by State Department:

                                        https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/25/politics/biden-shut-down-trump-effort-coronavirus-chinese-lab/index.html

                                        President Joe Biden's team shut down a closely-held State Department effort launched late in the Trump administration to prove the coronavirus originated in a Chinese lab over concerns about the quality of its work, according to three sources familiar with the decision.

                                        The existence of the State Department inquiry and its termination this spring by the Biden administration -- neither of which has been previously reported -- comes to light amid renewed interest in whether the virus could have leaked out of a Wuhan lab with links to the Chinese military. The Biden administration is also facing scrutiny of its own efforts to determine if the Chinese government was responsible for the virus.

                                        Those involved in the previously undisclosed inquiry, which was launched last fall by allies of then-Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, say it was an honest effort to probe what many initially dismissed: that China's biological weapons program could have had a greater role in the pandemic's origin in Wuhan, according to two additional sources.

                                        But the inquiry quickly became mired in internal discord amid concerns that it was part of a broader politicized effort by the Trump administration to blame China and cherry-pick facts to prove a theory.

                                        I'm sure that "The Big Guy's" administration won't cherry pick facts to disprove the theory, amirite?

                                        JollyJ Offline
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                                        Jolly
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #37

                                        @george-k said in Lab Leak?:

                                        Biden shuts down investigation by State Department:

                                        https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/25/politics/biden-shut-down-trump-effort-coronavirus-chinese-lab/index.html

                                        President Joe Biden's team shut down a closely-held State Department effort launched late in the Trump administration to prove the coronavirus originated in a Chinese lab over concerns about the quality of its work, according to three sources familiar with the decision.

                                        The existence of the State Department inquiry and its termination this spring by the Biden administration -- neither of which has been previously reported -- comes to light amid renewed interest in whether the virus could have leaked out of a Wuhan lab with links to the Chinese military. The Biden administration is also facing scrutiny of its own efforts to determine if the Chinese government was responsible for the virus.

                                        Those involved in the previously undisclosed inquiry, which was launched last fall by allies of then-Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, say it was an honest effort to probe what many initially dismissed: that China's biological weapons program could have had a greater role in the pandemic's origin in Wuhan, according to two additional sources.

                                        But the inquiry quickly became mired in internal discord amid concerns that it was part of a broader politicized effort by the Trump administration to blame China and cherry-pick facts to prove a theory.

                                        I'm sure that "The Big Guy's" administration won't cherry pick facts to disprove the theory, amirite?

                                        Xiden.

                                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                        • George KG Offline
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                                          George K
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #38

                                          They knew. They always fucking knew.

                                          https://dailycaller.com/2021/05/28/covid-19-david-asher-mike-pompeo-world-health-organization/

                                          The wife of a Wuhan lab researcher working on coronaviruses died of what appeared to be COVID-19 in December 2019, the leader of a State Department investigation under the Trump administration told the Daily Caller News Foundation.

                                          It would have been an early clue that the virus could be transmitted among humans, yet Chinese authorities said that the virus was not transmissible for at least a month after they knew it was, allowing it to spread, according to David Asher, who led an investigation on COVID-19’s origins and served in the State Department under Democrat and Republican presidents.
                                          China reported in mid-January that the virus was transmissible among humans.

                                          An individual who worked at the Wuhan Institute of Virology at the time provided the information on the lab researcher’s wife dying, according to Asher.

                                          A Wall Street Journal story on Sunday reported that three Wuhan lab workers were hospitalized with COVID-like symptoms in November 2019, before the first confirmed case of COVID-19 on Dec. 8. The story’s main findings, that WIV workers had possible COVID-19 symptoms in fall 2019, before the first confirmed case, were already in a State Department statement on COVID-19’s origins released in the last days of the Trump administration.

                                          The lab workers appear to have been more likely to have had COVID-19 than the flu, Asher said.

                                          “How many normal people in their 30s-40s get so sick from influenza that they have to be hospitalized? Lab workers, I am told, are almost certainly getting flu shots.

                                          “Moreover, what are the odds that several workers — who happen to be the researchers on enhancing the pathogenicity of COV RaTG13 and associated COVS all fall very sick together?” Asher noted, referring to coronaviruses.

                                          China has blocked interviewing the previously ill researchers at the WIV, the January State Department statement said.

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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