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Puzzle time - the ant lottery

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  • jon-nycJ Offline
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    jon-nyc
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    #11

    By basic questionology I assume the numbers aren’t so large that individual numbers can’t be read and held in your head for a moment when the ant passes by. I think it wants to rule out things like memorizing the list.

    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
    -Cormac McCarthy

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      I have a solution now.

      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
      -Cormac McCarthy

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      • KlausK Klaus

        I wonder what the significance of the “integer” tag (as opposed to natural number) is.

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        @klaus said in Puzzle time - the ant lottery:

        I wonder what the significance of the “integer” tag (as opposed to natural number) is.

        In my solution it doesn’t matter what you use to label individual ants. Could be letters and numbers, whatever.

        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
        -Cormac McCarthy

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          :::

          The simple case for one ant is that the first ant has a 100% chance of winning. The case for two ants is that you roll a 50/50 shot for whether that new ant wins, and if not the current winner wins. This leaves a 50/50 shot for each ant. Third ant, you roll a 1/3 shot for it to win, if not then the current winner stands. Those two first ants each had a .5 chance to be the current winner, and now that the third ant might be the winner, they have a .5 * 2/3 chance, or 1/3, just like the third ant. Fourth ant comes along, it is given a 1/4 chance of winning, and if it doesn't, the current winner stands, who had a 1/3 * 3/4 chance of being winner, or 1/4. And so on...

          :::

          Education is extremely important.

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            #15

            Yep.

            :::

            I worked backwards from the last ant. She needs a 1/n chance. Second to last would have had her 1/(n-1) chance followed by a (n-1)/n chance. From there I generalized to ant k and saw that the pattern holds.

            :::

            "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
            -Cormac McCarthy

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            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

              Yep.

              :::

              I worked backwards from the last ant. She needs a 1/n chance. Second to last would have had her 1/(n-1) chance followed by a (n-1)/n chance. From there I generalized to ant k and saw that the pattern holds.

              :::

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              #16

              @jon-nyc said in Puzzle time - the ant lottery:

              Yep.

              :::

              I worked backwards from the last ant. She needs a 1/n chance. Second to last would have had her 1/(n-1) chance followed by a (n-1)/n chance. From there I generalized to ant k and saw that the pattern holds.

              :::

              When the puzzle author found themselves with a trivially solvable problem scenario and had to add that kludge about not being able to record all the ant IDs, that's when they should have re-thought the whole scenario and found a better one that didn't have a trivial solution.

              Education is extremely important.

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                Horace's solution makes sense, but I also think the description is confusing and overly complicated.

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                • KlausK Klaus

                  Horace's solution makes sense, but I also think the description is confusing and overly complicated.

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                  @klaus said in Puzzle time - the ant lottery:

                  Horace's solution makes sense, but I also think the description is confusing and overly complicated.

                  How about the objective is to take a picture of the winning ant, but your digital camera has storage for only one picture, which can be overwritten any number of times with a new photo.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                  • KlausK Online
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                    #19

                    Nice idea!

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                    • KlausK Klaus

                      Nice idea!

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                      @klaus said in Puzzle time - the ant lottery:

                      Nice idea!

                      Thanks Klaus. Another problem with not being able to record the ID of every ant is that the solution assumes a non zero chance of having to record every ant, as the interim lottery winner.

                      Education is extremely important.

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