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Where's Joe?

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  • Doctor PhibesD Online
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    Doctor Phibes
    wrote on last edited by
    #4

    If Bush/Cheney didn't play good cop/bad cop with any world leaders, I'm not a proper doctor.

    I was only joking

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    • RenaudaR Offline
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      Renauda
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      #5

      I seem to recall, Dick Cheney taking over and managing the Republic of Georgia file when that nutcase Saakashvili decided he wanted join NATO and provoke armed conflict with Moscow. Pushed Bush and Sect'y of State aside and ran his own show there until all came tumbling down. Rather badly if recall correctly.

      Elbows up!

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      • RenaudaR Renauda

        I seem to recall, Dick Cheney taking over and managing the Republic of Georgia file when that nutcase Saakashvili decided he wanted join NATO and provoke armed conflict with Moscow. Pushed Bush and Sect'y of State aside and ran his own show there until all came tumbling down. Rather badly if recall correctly.

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        George K
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        @renauda said in Where's Joe?:

        Dick Cheney taking over

        I have little doubt that Cheney excerted a LOT of influence over foreign policy with Bush 43's administration.

        I just think it was mostly behind the scenes, despite rumors.

        This strikes me as a bit different, with the Vice President (who won zero primaries, I might add) directly interacting with foreign leaders.

        Did Cheney, Biden, or other VEEPs do that?

        I don't know.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • RenaudaR Renauda

          I seem to recall, Dick Cheney taking over and managing the Republic of Georgia file when that nutcase Saakashvili decided he wanted join NATO and provoke armed conflict with Moscow. Pushed Bush and Sect'y of State aside and ran his own show there until all came tumbling down. Rather badly if recall correctly.

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          Renauda
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          #7

          @renauda

          Were any others ever asked? I don't know. It would involve some historical research. I'll pass, thank you.

          Elbows up!

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          • JollyJ Offline
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            Jolly
            wrote on last edited by Jolly
            #8

            Put the shoe on the other foot...Reckon Biden did foreign policy for Obama?

            (Well, there was this Ukraine thing...)

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              #9

              Was Vice President Pence more involved as a vice president compared to history or less so?

              Just curious what you guys think.

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              • CopperC Offline
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                Copper
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                #10

                I think it seems like the VP is doing more because we have a senile president who does less.

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                • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                  Was Vice President Pence more involved as a vice president compared to history or less so?

                  Just curious what you guys think.

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                  @taiwan_girl said in Where's Joe?:

                  Was Vice President Pence more involved as a vice president compared to history or less so?

                  Just curious what you guys think.

                  Obama went out of his way not to even be in the same room as Joe.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • Doctor PhibesD Online
                    Doctor PhibesD Online
                    Doctor Phibes
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                    #12

                    You guys are essentially complaining because Darth Vader is doing stuff rather than Palpatine. Or possibly Jar Jar Binks in the case of Biden and Bush II.

                    I was only joking

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                    • George KG George K

                      @renauda said in Where's Joe?:

                      Dick Cheney taking over

                      I have little doubt that Cheney excerted a LOT of influence over foreign policy with Bush 43's administration.

                      I just think it was mostly behind the scenes, despite rumors.

                      This strikes me as a bit different, with the Vice President (who won zero primaries, I might add) directly interacting with foreign leaders.

                      Did Cheney, Biden, or other VEEPs do that?

                      I don't know.

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                      @george-k said in Where's Joe?:

                      I just think it was mostly behind the scenes, despite rumors.

                      It's mostly always behind the scenes. Not for us unwashed to know -- thank god.

                      Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                      • CopperC Copper

                        I think it seems like the VP is doing more because we have a senile president who does less.

                        AxtremusA Away
                        AxtremusA Away
                        Axtremus
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                        #14

                        @copper said in Where's Joe?:

                        I think it seems like the VP is doing more because we have a senile president who does less.

                        Everytime a GOP-leaning poster questions why VP Harris does something instead of President Biden doing it himself, it always come down to do this: accusing Biden of suffering from mental decline to the point of being unable to do the job of a President.

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                        • MikM Offline
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                          Mik
                          wrote on last edited by Mik
                          #15

                          That is the question, yes.

                          I have always been for greater utilization of the VP position. It makes for a VP better qualified to step in. There is a case to be made here that is exactly what is going on.

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                          • Doctor PhibesD Online
                            Doctor PhibesD Online
                            Doctor Phibes
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                            #16

                            Didn't Dan Quayle have some pretty detailed discussions with the Bolivians?

                            Or maybe that was Mike Tyson.

                            I was only joking

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                            • AxtremusA Axtremus

                              @copper said in Where's Joe?:

                              I think it seems like the VP is doing more because we have a senile president who does less.

                              Everytime a GOP-leaning poster questions why VP Harris does something instead of President Biden doing it himself, it always come down to do this: accusing Biden of suffering from mental decline to the point of being unable to do the job of a President.

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                              @axtremus said in Where's Joe?:

                              @copper said in Where's Joe?:

                              I think it seems like the VP is doing more because we have a senile president who does less.

                              Everytime a GOP-leaning poster questions why VP Harris does something instead of President Biden doing it himself, it always come down to do this: accusing Biden of suffering from mental decline to the point of being unable to do the job of a President.

                              Actually, Harris had the border.

                              I'm sure she'll be down there just any time, now. Soon, maybe...

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              • AxtremusA Axtremus

                                @copper said in Where's Joe?:

                                I think it seems like the VP is doing more because we have a senile president who does less.

                                Everytime a GOP-leaning poster questions why VP Harris does something instead of President Biden doing it himself, it always come down to do this: accusing Biden of suffering from mental decline to the point of being unable to do the job of a President.

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                                Copper
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                                @axtremus said in Where's Joe?:

                                @copper said in Where's Joe?:

                                I think it seems like the VP is doing more because we have a senile president who does less.

                                Everytime a GOP-leaning poster questions why VP Harris does something instead of President Biden doing it himself, it always come down to do this: accusing Biden of suffering from mental decline to the point of being unable to do the job of a President.

                                He's not suffering, he is living it up in the whitehouse.

                                When the dementia allows.

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