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Puzzle time: the runt of random points

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  • HoraceH Offline
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    Horace
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    #2

    :::

    I suppose the number where there's a 50/50 shot of never randomly choosing below it in 10 tries.

    :::

    Education is extremely important.

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    • HoraceH Horace

      :::

      I suppose the number where there's a 50/50 shot of never randomly choosing below it in 10 tries.

      :::

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      @horace And that number would be?

      The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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        Hint:

        :::

        Think circle, not line.

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        The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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          #5

          :::

          .5=(1-n)^10

          =0.066967

          :::

          Education is extremely important.

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          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

            Hint:

            :::

            Think circle, not line.

            :::

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            @jon-nyc said in Puzzle time: the runt of random points:

            Hint:

            :::

            Think circle, not line.

            :::

            Right, my formula would give the median but not the mean. Higher minimums have more room for outliers than lower minimums, which can only go to zero.

            Education is extremely important.

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              :::

              If you choose 1 number, the average of the mimimum is 0.5.
              With 2 numbers, it's 0.333. With 3 it's 0.25.

              With n numbers it's 1/(n+1), hence for 10 it's 0.909...
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                #8

                Klaus is right.

                Well, that was my answer. Official solution comes Saturday.

                :::

                One way to think about it is as follows: Pick 11 random points on a unit circumference circle (expected distance between points is 1/11). Randomly pick one as marking start/end point of unit line.

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                The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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                • HoraceH Offline
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                  I'm sure that's right.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                    @Horace My original intuition was similar to yours but with a different formula.

                    The probabilities would be additive, not multiplicative, no?

                    So if m is the expected minimum value, that meant that:

                    10 * p(x<m) = 0.5, or
                    p(x<m) = 0.05
                    which gave me 1/20.

                    But as you pointed out that would be a median value, the mean would be higher than that.

                    The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                      @Horace My original intuition was similar to yours but with a different formula.

                      The probabilities would be additive, not multiplicative, no?

                      So if m is the expected minimum value, that meant that:

                      10 * p(x<m) = 0.5, or
                      p(x<m) = 0.05
                      which gave me 1/20.

                      But as you pointed out that would be a median value, the mean would be higher than that.

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                      wrote on last edited by Horace
                      #11

                      @jon-nyc said in Puzzle time: the runt of random points:

                      @Horace My original intuition was similar to yours but with a different formula.

                      The probabilities would be additive, not multiplicative, no?

                      So if m is the expected minimum value, that meant that:

                      10 * p(x<m) = 0.5, or
                      p(x<m) = 0.05
                      which gave me 1/20.

                      But as you pointed out that would be a median value, the mean would be higher than that.

                      My formula gives the correct median. It's the chance of rolling higher than "x" 10 times in a row, so multiplicative.

                      Education is extremely important.

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