Incitement?
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A week ago or so, they had to postpone a game between the Red Sox and the Twins because of safety concerns due to civil unrest in Minneapolis.
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Peaceful protesting is fine.
But rioting stinks.
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Impeach and Remove - https://nypost.com/2021/04/18/impeach-and-remove-maxine-waters/
I'm just curious on how and why a California Rep is getting into the middle of a local issue in Minnesota?
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Rep. Maxine Waters, D-Calif., went to Minnesota and told the protesters that they "gotta stay on the street" and "get more confrontational." The statement is ironic since Waters is one of the House members suing former President Donald Trump and others for inciting violence on Jan. 6 with his words on the Mall.
Waters insists that Trump telling his supporters to go to the Capitol to make their voice heard and "fight" for their votes was actual criminal incitement. Conversely, Waters was speaking after multiple nights of rioting and looting, telling protesters to stay on the streets and get even more confrontational.
Waters has now guaranteed that she could be called as a witness by Trump in his own defense against her own lawsuit.
Waters’ most recent words could well be cited in the ongoing litigation over the Jan. 6 riot on Capitol Hill. As I have previously discussed, the lawsuit by House members and the NAACP may prove a colossal mistake. It is one of a number of lawsuits, including one filed by Rep. Eric. Swalwell, D-Calif., that could ultimately vindicate Trump shortly before the next election.
While it is possible that members could find a trial judge to rule in their favor, these lawsuits should fail on appeal, if they get that far. Moreover, they would fail under a lower standard of proof than the "beyond a reasonable doubt" standard in criminal law. Such a result would eviscerate the claim that Trump was guilty of criminal incitement in his speech.
That brings us back to Brooklyn Center this weekend. Violence and looting have been unfolding around the country, including near the area where Waters was speaking. Yet she called on people to stay in the streets and get more "confrontational." On the trial of former police officer Derek Chauvin, charged in the murder of George Floyd last May, she added that there would be no acceptance of certain court decisions: "We're looking for a guilty verdict. If we don't, we cannot go away."
In my view, those words are political speech and should not be subject to criminal sanctions. However, I felt the same way about Trump’s speech (which I condemned as he was giving it on Jan. 6 as reckless). I also rejected prior claims against Waters like when she encouraged protesters to confront Trump officials in restaurants and "push back on them and you tell them they're not welcome anymore, anywhere." It is all protected speech.
Yet, that standard cannot be selectively applied to some but not all riots or protests.
Waters was encouraging protesters to continue to fight for what they believe in. Her overheated rhetoric could easily be seen by some as an invitation or endorsement for rioting. However, criminalizing such speech would shred the guarantees of free speech in our country.
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I got yer "confrontation" right here:
A Minnesota National Guard neighborhood security team says it was fired upon in a drive-by shooting early Sunday morning, with two guard members sustaining minor injuries.
The shooting occurred shortly before 4:20 a.m. in the Jordan neighborhood near the intersection of Penn Avenue and Broadway in northwest Minneapolis. According to a statement from the guard, a light-colored SUV fired several shots at a Minnesota Operation Safety Net team. Operation Safety Net is a joint effort among the Minneapolis Police Department, Hennepin County Sheriff's Office, the State of Minnesota and local jurisdictions.
"I am relieved to know none of our Guardsmen were seriously injured," said Adjutant General Maj. Gen. Shawn Manke. "This event highlights the volatility and tension in our communities right now. I ask for peace as we work through this difficult time."
The Minnesota National Guard was activated as part of the effort, but many have been critical of the guard's presence in Minneapolis neighborhoods this week amid tension with the Derek Chauvin trial and the recent Brooklyn Center police killing of 20-year-old Daunte Wright. Demonstrators have called on the guard to "go home."
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Waters is a Public Official. That's different.
Adjutant General Maj. Gen. Shawn Manke. -- what kind of military title is this? Jolly, do you know?
hmmm. Adjutant, like, reports to a senior officer, administrative assistant. Major General. Wasn't there someone named that in Catch-22? Both a Major and a General, at the same time.
I'm probably going to feel dumb after someone explains this to me. Feeling pretty dumb even before anyone explains anything to me.
It's a dumb Sunday.
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Waters is a Public Official. That's different.
Adjutant General Maj. Gen. Shawn Manke. -- what kind of military title is this? Jolly, do you know?
hmmm. Adjutant, like, reports to a senior officer, administrative assistant. Major General. Wasn't there someone named that in Catch-22? Both a Major and a General, at the same time.
I'm probably going to feel dumb after someone explains this to me. Feeling pretty dumb even before anyone explains anything to me.
It's a dumb Sunday.
Predecessor to a dumb week.@rainman said in Incitement?:
Waters is a Public Official. That's different.
Adjutant General Maj. Gen. Shawn Manke. -- what kind of military title is this? Jolly, do you know?
hmmm. Adjutant, like, reports to a senior officer, administrative assistant. Major General. Wasn't there someone named that in Catch-22? Both a Major and a General, at the same time.
I'm probably going to feel dumb after someone explains this to me. Feeling pretty dumb even before anyone explains anything to me.
It's a dumb Sunday.
Predecessor to a dumb week.Happens one of my friends was one. The guy would be the commander of all NG forces in the state. At least down here, they carry one star and are brigadiers.
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@george-k Nice. I like how she turned it into classism as opposed to racism. Helps her goal of making it about her.
