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  • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

    Something I noticed with my kids growing up was that when they were young, they were pretty much uninterested in, and oblivious of, the quality of special effects. They'd happily watch an old movie with crappy graphics, and even when I joked about them they'd tell me off for being negative.

    Once they hit about 15-16, that all changed, and they'd laugh at the old movies for looking so cheesy.

    A bit sad, really, but interesting in how they see entertainment before they've being 'educated' in how to think.

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    @doctor-phibes said in Jason and the Argonauts - smoothed out:

    A bit sad, really, but interesting in how they see entertainment before they've being 'educated' in how to think.

    What's really crazy are 1) movies with effects that still hold up (T2) and 2) movies that are obviously dated but hold up anyway. I don't mean old westerns that still have value after you get past the antiquated cinematography, I mean movies like The Bicycle Thief and Vertigo that are still engrossing anyway.

    Please love yourself.

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    • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

      @doctor-phibes said in Jason and the Argonauts - smoothed out:

      A bit sad, really, but interesting in how they see entertainment before they've being 'educated' in how to think.

      What's really crazy are 1) movies with effects that still hold up (T2) and 2) movies that are obviously dated but hold up anyway. I don't mean old westerns that still have value after you get past the antiquated cinematography, I mean movies like The Bicycle Thief and Vertigo that are still engrossing anyway.

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      @aqua-letifer said in Jason and the Argonauts - smoothed out:

      movies like The Bicycle Thief and Vertigo that are still engrossing anyway.

      Exactly. Vertigo's "special effects" are pretty cheesy. But, the story holds up. If you're relying on SFX to carry the movie, you need a better writer.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • George KG George K

        @aqua-letifer said in Jason and the Argonauts - smoothed out:

        movies like The Bicycle Thief and Vertigo that are still engrossing anyway.

        Exactly. Vertigo's "special effects" are pretty cheesy. But, the story holds up. If you're relying on SFX to carry the movie, you need a better writer.

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        @george-k said in Jason and the Argonauts - smoothed out:

        @aqua-letifer said in Jason and the Argonauts - smoothed out:

        movies like The Bicycle Thief and Vertigo that are still engrossing anyway.

        Exactly. Vertigo's "special effects" are pretty cheesy. But, the story holds up. If you're relying on SFX to carry the movie, you need a better writer.

        Michael Bay would be cross with you. ๐Ÿ˜

        Please love yourself.

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        • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

          @george-k said in Jason and the Argonauts - smoothed out:

          @aqua-letifer said in Jason and the Argonauts - smoothed out:

          movies like The Bicycle Thief and Vertigo that are still engrossing anyway.

          Exactly. Vertigo's "special effects" are pretty cheesy. But, the story holds up. If you're relying on SFX to carry the movie, you need a better writer.

          Michael Bay would be cross with you. ๐Ÿ˜

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          @aqua-letifer said in Jason and the Argonauts - smoothed out:

          Michael Bay would be cross with you.

          Screen Shot 2021-04-11 at 5.09.10 PM.png

          All righty, then.

          Because Pearl Harbor, Armageddon and the Transformer movies were so DAMN good.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • George KG George K

            @aqua-letifer said in Jason and the Argonauts - smoothed out:

            Michael Bay would be cross with you.

            Screen Shot 2021-04-11 at 5.09.10 PM.png

            All righty, then.

            Because Pearl Harbor, Armageddon and the Transformer movies were so DAMN good.

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            @george-k said in Jason and the Argonauts - smoothed out:

            All righty, then.
            Because Pearl Harbor, Armageddon and the Transformer movies were so DAMN good.

            Right? ๐Ÿ˜„ He's the guy I always have in mind whenever talk gets around to propping up a mediocre story with special effects.

            Please love yourself.

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              @aqua-letifer said in Jason and the Argonauts - smoothed out:

              @loki said in Jason and the Argonauts - smoothed out:

              I expected more of a difference.

              Shows how good a job they did the first time around.

              I came to the opposite conclusion โ€” the original motion designs were done so poorly that even higher frame rate cannot make them better. I think with the technology we have today, even if you keep the same frame rate as the original, you can still get more natural looking motions than you could than the original. A โ€œremakeโ€ or โ€œreshootโ€ with the original frame rate will materially improve over algorithmic interpolations with 8x the original frame rate.

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              • AxtremusA Axtremus

                @aqua-letifer said in Jason and the Argonauts - smoothed out:

                @loki said in Jason and the Argonauts - smoothed out:

                I expected more of a difference.

                Shows how good a job they did the first time around.

                I came to the opposite conclusion โ€” the original motion designs were done so poorly that even higher frame rate cannot make them better. I think with the technology we have today, even if you keep the same frame rate as the original, you can still get more natural looking motions than you could than the original. A โ€œremakeโ€ or โ€œreshootโ€ with the original frame rate will materially improve over algorithmic interpolations with 8x the original frame rate.

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                @axtremus said in Jason and the Argonauts - smoothed out:

                I came to the opposite conclusion

                You willingly watch romcoms written for 12-year-old girls so I fail to see how that matters.

                Please love yourself.

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                • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                  @axtremus said in Jason and the Argonauts - smoothed out:

                  I came to the opposite conclusion

                  You willingly watch romcoms written for 12-year-old girls so I fail to see how that matters.

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                  @aqua-letifer said in Jason and the Argonauts - smoothed out:

                  You willingly watch romcoms written for 12-year-old girls so I fail to see how that matters.

                  I also like Dora the Explorer movie so whatโ€™s your point?

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                    Jason and the Argonauts is just fine as-is, no smoothing needed

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                    • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                      Something I noticed with my kids growing up was that when they were young, they were pretty much uninterested in, and oblivious of, the quality of special effects. They'd happily watch an old movie with crappy graphics, and even when I joked about them they'd tell me off for being negative.

                      Once they hit about 15-16, that all changed, and they'd laugh at the old movies for looking so cheesy.

                      A bit sad, really, but interesting in how they see entertainment before they've being 'educated' in how to think.

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                      @doctor-phibes said in Jason and the Argonauts - smoothed out:

                      Something I noticed with my kids growing up was that when they were young, they were pretty much uninterested in, and oblivious of, the quality of special effects. They'd happily watch an old movie with crappy graphics, and even when I joked about them they'd tell me off for being negative.

                      Once they hit about 15-16, that all changed, and they'd laugh at the old movies for looking so cheesy.

                      A bit sad, really, but interesting in how they see entertainment before they've being 'educated' in how to think.

                      Ask them about an original Godzilla, you might be surprised.

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