Pick A Better Martyr
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@Loki said in Pick A Better Martyr:
Interesting that he was asymptomatic to Covid given his health history.
I think you misunderstood it. The autopsy says the diagnosis predated the death by long enough for the disease to have run its clinical course and that RNA can stick around longer. They’re not claiming he had always been asymptomatic.
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An interview with the CME who talks about the levels of drugs in Floyd:
https://spectator.org/minnesota-v-derek-chauvin-et-al-the-prosecutions-dirty-little-secret/
Dr. Baker, the chief medical examiner, had to concede that at 11 ng/mL, Floyd had “a fatal level of fentanyl under normal circumstances.” He also conceded that the fentanyl overdose “can cause pulmonary edema,” a frothy fluid build-up in the lungs that was evidenced by the finding at autopsy that Floyd’s lungs weighed two to three times normal weight.
This is consistent with Officer Kueng’s observation at the scene that Floyd was foaming at the mouth and, as found at autopsy, that his lungs were “diffusely congested and edematous.”
In other words, like a drowned man, Floyd’s lungs were filled with fluid. And that was the obvious and inescapable reason why Floyd kept shouting over and over again that he couldn’t breathe even when he was upright and mobile.
The memorandum ends with Dr. Baker’s devastating conclusion that “if Floyd had been found dead in his home (or anywhere else) and there were no other contributing factors he [Dr. Baker] would conclude that it was an overdose death.”
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In other words, like "Hands up, don't shoot," and "Good people on both sides," this will go down as a rallying cry with no basis in fact.
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@jon-nyc said in Pick A Better Martyr:
So I assume the cop beats the murder charge?
Though he’ll do actual time for the other charges.
He may do time for some physical abuse, but that's about it.
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@jolly said in Pick A Better Martyr:
The blood levels of Fentanyl are over the average lethal dose
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/08/us/george-floyd-fentanyl-toxicologist.html
Maybe not.
Here's what I never understood about the "lethal level" argument: A lethal level of fentanyl is, well, "lethal." How is it that he was (ahem) alive with that level of fentanyl in his blood.
Also, fentanyl, and all narcotics, cause death by suppression of the respiratory center's response to CO2. They cause unconsciousness, not aggressiveness. They stop breathing - simple as that.
That's not the case here.
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I've been pretty agnostic on the Floyd case so far. I have little doubt that the cop will be convicted, because the jury won't want Minneapolis (and other cities) to burn.
I just find it interesting how, under the rules of the court, so much of what we read in the press, is shown to be not the case.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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Ultimately, there is one inescapable and indisputable fact...Floyd was unconscious and unmoving for several minutes before Chauvin got up, and it was still more time before medical assistance was called. Even if it was an overdose, Chauvin and his delay in calling an ambulance played a significant and criminal part of Floyd’s death.
I think Manslaughter at a minimum and probably Murder 3...
Me/rry/Christmas
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@lufins-dad said in Pick A Better Martyr:
Chauvin and his delay in calling an ambulance played a significant and criminal part of Floyd’s death.
I think Manslaughter at a minimum and probably Murder 3...Agreed.
The expert today testified that, even if the "knee on the neck" narrative was wrong (and it is), the fact that Chauvin sat on Floyd's back impaired his ability to breathe.
Imagine a 180 lb man putting most of his weight on the back of your chest. How well do you think you'd breathe?
