20 Mass Shootings in Two Weeks Since Atlanta Spa Attack
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@jolly said in 20 Mass Shootings in Two Weeks Since Atlanta Spa Attack:
Please tell me what the FBI considers a mass shooting?
The FBI follows the Investigative Assistance for Violent Crimes Act of 2012 definition for active shooter incidents and mass killings, defined by the law as three or more people killed in public places. See https://www.congress.gov/112/plaws/publ265/PLAW-112publ265.pdf
Mass “shooting,” however, is not defined by law and I am not aware of the FBI offers a definition of its own. The private non-profit research group the Gun Violence Archive draws the line at four - if four or more people are shot in one incident (not necessary killed), it’s “mass shooting.” CNN seems to go with that definition.
From “three killed by gunshots” defined by law for active shooter “mass killing” to “four shot by gun” for “mass shooting,” I think that definition is reasonable enough.
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@jolly said in 20 Mass Shootings in Two Weeks Since Atlanta Spa Attack:
Please tell me what the FBI considers a mass shooting?
The FBI follows the Investigative Assistance for Violent Crimes Act of 2012 definition for active shooter incidents and mass killings, defined by the law as three or more people killed in public places. See https://www.congress.gov/112/plaws/publ265/PLAW-112publ265.pdf
Mass “shooting,” however, is not defined by law and I am not aware of the FBI offers a definition of its own. The private non-profit research group the Gun Violence Archive draws the line at four - if four or more people are shot in one incident (not necessary killed), it’s “mass shooting.” CNN seems to go with that definition.
From “three killed by gunshots” defined by law for active shooter “mass killing” to “four shot by gun” for “mass shooting,” I think that definition is reasonable enough.
@axtremus said in 20 Mass Shootings in Two Weeks Since Atlanta Spa Attack:
@jolly said in 20 Mass Shootings in Two Weeks Since Atlanta Spa Attack:
Please tell me what the FBI considers a mass shooting?
The FBI follows the Investigative Assistance for Violent Crimes Act of 2012 definition for active shooter incidents and mass killings, defined by the law as three or more people killed in public places. See https://www.congress.gov/112/plaws/publ265/PLAW-112publ265.pdf
Mass “shooting,” however, is not defined by law and I am not aware of the FBI offers a definition of its own. The private non-profit research group the Gun Violence Archive draws the line at four - if four or more people are shot in one incident (not necessary killed), it’s “mass shooting.” CNN seems to go with that definition.
From “three killed by gunshots” defined by law for active shooter “mass killing” to “four shot by gun” for “mass shooting,” I think that definition is reasonable enough.
In other words, just about any weekend in Chicago, we have a mass shooting.
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@axtremus said in 20 Mass Shootings in Two Weeks Since Atlanta Spa Attack:
@jolly said in 20 Mass Shootings in Two Weeks Since Atlanta Spa Attack:
Please tell me what the FBI considers a mass shooting?
The FBI follows the Investigative Assistance for Violent Crimes Act of 2012 definition for active shooter incidents and mass killings, defined by the law as three or more people killed in public places. See https://www.congress.gov/112/plaws/publ265/PLAW-112publ265.pdf
Mass “shooting,” however, is not defined by law and I am not aware of the FBI offers a definition of its own. The private non-profit research group the Gun Violence Archive draws the line at four - if four or more people are shot in one incident (not necessary killed), it’s “mass shooting.” CNN seems to go with that definition.
From “three killed by gunshots” defined by law for active shooter “mass killing” to “four shot by gun” for “mass shooting,” I think that definition is reasonable enough.
In other words, just about any weekend in Chicago, we have a mass shooting.
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@jolly said in 20 Mass Shootings in Two Weeks Since Atlanta Spa Attack:
In other words, just about any weekend in Chicago, we have a mass shooting.
Does that make gun violence any less of a problem?
@axtremus said in 20 Mass Shootings in Two Weeks Since Atlanta Spa Attack:
@jolly said in 20 Mass Shootings in Two Weeks Since Atlanta Spa Attack:
In other words, just about any weekend in Chicago, we have a mass shooting.
Does that make gun violence any less of a problem?
It does when most of the Chicago shootings are done with illegal weapons.
BTW, did you know more people in the U.S. were killed with knives last year, than with rifles? It's obvious this country needs knife control!
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@axtremus said in 20 Mass Shootings in Two Weeks Since Atlanta Spa Attack:
@jolly said in 20 Mass Shootings in Two Weeks Since Atlanta Spa Attack:
In other words, just about any weekend in Chicago, we have a mass shooting.
Does that make gun violence any less of a problem?
It does when most of the Chicago shootings are done with illegal weapons.
BTW, did you know more people in the U.S. were killed with knives last year, than with rifles? It's obvious this country needs knife control!
@jolly said in 20 Mass Shootings in Two Weeks Since Atlanta Spa Attack:
It's obvious this country needs knife control!
I believe that's already happening in the UK.
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@jolly said in 20 Mass Shootings in Two Weeks Since Atlanta Spa Attack:
It's obvious this country needs knife control!
I believe that's already happening in the UK.
@george-k said in 20 Mass Shootings in Two Weeks Since Atlanta Spa Attack:
@jolly said in 20 Mass Shootings in Two Weeks Since Atlanta Spa Attack:
It's obvious this country needs knife control!
I believe that's already happening in the UK.
True. Subjects, not citizens.
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@axtremus said in 20 Mass Shootings in Two Weeks Since Atlanta Spa Attack:
@jolly said in 20 Mass Shootings in Two Weeks Since Atlanta Spa Attack:
In other words, just about any weekend in Chicago, we have a mass shooting.
Does that make gun violence any less of a problem?
It does when most of the Chicago shootings are done with illegal weapons.
BTW, did you know more people in the U.S. were killed with knives last year, than with rifles? It's obvious this country needs knife control!
@jolly said in 20 Mass Shootings in Two Weeks Since Atlanta Spa Attack:
more people in the U.S. were killed with knives last year, than with rifles
Add handguns to the mix, however, and that's not true.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/195325/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-weapon-used/
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@jolly said in 20 Mass Shootings in Two Weeks Since Atlanta Spa Attack:
more people in the U.S. were killed with knives last year, than with rifles
Add handguns to the mix, however, and that's not true.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/195325/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-weapon-used/
@george-k said in 20 Mass Shootings in Two Weeks Since Atlanta Spa Attack:
@jolly said in 20 Mass Shootings in Two Weeks Since Atlanta Spa Attack:
more people in the U.S. were killed with knives last year, than with rifles
Add handguns to the mix, however, and that's not true.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/195325/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-weapon-used/
True.
But Black Rifles are the problem, donchya know?
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@george-k said in 20 Mass Shootings in Two Weeks Since Atlanta Spa Attack:
@jolly said in 20 Mass Shootings in Two Weeks Since Atlanta Spa Attack:
more people in the U.S. were killed with knives last year, than with rifles
Add handguns to the mix, however, and that's not true.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/195325/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-weapon-used/
True.
But Black Rifles are the problem, donchya know?
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Has anybody ever tried a statistical analysis in gun crime if you normalized the African American crime rate?
The Brad
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Like Wins Against Replacement, but you know, with shooting?
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Has anybody ever tried a statistical analysis in gun crime if you normalized the African American crime rate?
@lufins-dad said in 20 Mass Shootings in Two Weeks Since Atlanta Spa Attack:
Has anybody ever tried a statistical analysis in gun crime if you normalized the African American crime rate?
That would be interesting.
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@jolly said in 20 Mass Shootings in Two Weeks Since Atlanta Spa Attack:
@lufins-dad said in 20 Mass Shootings in Two Weeks Since Atlanta Spa Attack:
Has anybody ever tried a statistical analysis in gun crime if you normalized the African American crime rate?
That would be interesting.
These are murder statistics, not murder by firearm, but the vast majority of the murders were by firearm, so it gives us a decent basis, but I am no statistician and would appreciate any help...
It looks to me like race was identified in 11,883 of the 17,251 homicides (of which 14,532 were by firearm. So let's just use that as a baseline since it would be too much of a jump to extrapolate that race remained consistent for the 5700 unknown perpetrators.
Of that, African Americans represented 6444 of the perpetrators or 54% while representing 13% of the population. Hispanics and Latinos represented 1505 of the perpetrators or 13% of the murderers while representing 18.5% of the population. Non-Hispanic White represented 3620 murderers or 30.5% while representing 60% of the population. 314 cases fall into “other”.
So if the population in 2017 was 320,000,000 then that would mean that at least 15.01 of every 100,000 African American committed homicide, 2.5 of every 100,000 Hispanic/Latino, and 1.9 of every 100,000 Non-Hispanic White, which is actually right in line with our friendly neighbors in Canada, btw.
The average shooter vs population is 4.5 in 100000. If we apply that as the baseline and brought African American Violence to that point then the total number of identified homicides committed be African Americans would be 1872, a difference of 4572, or nearly 1/3 of the total identified homicides. If we subtract that from the total homicides we get 12,679. That works out to 3.9 per 100,000. That’s a pretty big shift, and that’s still assuming that African Americans are killing at over twice the rate of the rest of the country. Still not pretty, but a pretty massive shift. If you were able to bring Hispanic and African American gun violence down to the same level as Non-Hispanic White, then the numbers would only be slightly higher than the UK, France, and all of our friends with their much vaunted gun control.
Now this statistical analysis ain’t worth the bar napkin it was written on because over 1/4 of the murders in the US weren’t identified by race, but I think that probably makes the difference even more stark because most of these unidentified incidents are gangland shootings.
America doesn’t have a gun problem, it has a gang violence problem.
The Brad
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Amen, brother. Again, it would be interesting to know how many of those murders were done with legally purchased guns that would nt have been purchased under proposed rules.
