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  • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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    Doctor Phibes
    wrote on last edited by Doctor Phibes
    #31

    If chocolate is taken to extremes, it gets pretty ugly. And who doesn't love chocolate?

    My argument is not that the extreme of patriotism is bad, that's obvious. My argument is that patriotism is frequently hijacked by cynical people as an excuse to do bad things. I'm not saying that patriotism is bad. I'm saying that people who claim to be very patriotic can be bad.

    I was only joking

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    • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

      @jolly said in Patriots Only:

      Or name calling is the last refuge of a coward.

      Sorry, but that's bollocks. Name calling is the last refuge of somebody who's run out of decent arguments. Not very pithy, I know. Running away is the last refuge of a coward.

      JollyJ Offline
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      Jolly
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      #32

      @doctor-phibes said in Patriots Only:

      @jolly said in Patriots Only:

      Or name calling is the last refuge of a coward.

      Sorry, but that's bollocks. Name calling is the last refuge of somebody who's run out of decent arguments. Not very pithy, I know. Running away is the last refuge of a coward.

      The initial quote is bollocks. I'm just riffing off of it...

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • JollyJ Jolly

        @doctor-phibes said in Patriots Only:

        @jolly said in Patriots Only:

        Or name calling is the last refuge of a coward.

        Sorry, but that's bollocks. Name calling is the last refuge of somebody who's run out of decent arguments. Not very pithy, I know. Running away is the last refuge of a coward.

        The initial quote is bollocks. I'm just riffing off of it...

        Doctor PhibesD Offline
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        Doctor Phibes
        wrote on last edited by
        #33

        @jolly said in Patriots Only:

        The initial quote is bollocks.

        It's not, though. How many times have dreadful people made an appeal to patriotism?

        Patriotism isn't bad, but the people who appeal to it can be.

        I was only joking

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        • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

          @jolly said in Patriots Only:

          The initial quote is bollocks.

          It's not, though. How many times have dreadful people made an appeal to patriotism?

          Patriotism isn't bad, but the people who appeal to it can be.

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          Jolly
          wrote on last edited by
          #34

          @doctor-phibes said in Patriots Only:

          @jolly said in Patriots Only:

          The initial quote is bollocks.

          It's not, though. How many times have dreadful people made an appeal to patriotism?

          Patriotism isn't bad, but the people who appeal to it can be.

          Yep, absolute asshole...

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          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • JollyJ Jolly

            @doctor-phibes said in Patriots Only:

            @jolly said in Patriots Only:

            The initial quote is bollocks.

            It's not, though. How many times have dreadful people made an appeal to patriotism?

            Patriotism isn't bad, but the people who appeal to it can be.

            Yep, absolute asshole...

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            Doctor PhibesD Offline
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            Doctor Phibes
            wrote on last edited by Doctor Phibes
            #35

            Are you guys deliberately misunderstanding me or are you just being a bit thick?

            I say bad people have a tendency to do something. This is completely discredited by someobody who did the same thing who was not a bad person?

            Or should I just declare victory by application of inverse Godwin's law?

            I was only joking

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            • HoraceH Offline
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              Horace
              wrote on last edited by
              #36

              I understand. The idea of patriotism can be used to manipulate the masses for nefarious goals.

              Education is extremely important.

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              • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                Doctor Phibes
                wrote on last edited by
                #37

                ...as in the case of Hitler.

                There. It's done.

                I was only joking

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                • JollyJ Jolly

                  If the citizens of a country are not proud of their country, it won't be long before they are not citizens. The country will not exist.

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                  Mik
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #38

                  @jolly said in Patriots Only:

                  If the citizens of a country are not proud of their country, it won't be long before they are not citizens. The country will not exist.

                  This.

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  • MikM Mik

                    @jolly said in Patriots Only:

                    If the citizens of a country are not proud of their country, it won't be long before they are not citizens. The country will not exist.

                    This.

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                    Copper
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #39

                    @mik said in Patriots Only:

                    @jolly said in Patriots Only:

                    If the citizens of a country are not proud of their country, it won't be long before they are not citizens. The country will not exist.

                    This.

                    ...as in the case of Hitler.

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                    • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                      Doctor Phibes
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #40

                      The argument that Germany lost WW2 due to it being insufficiently patriotic has novelty on its side, if little else.

                      I was only joking

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