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  • JollyJ Jolly

    @copper said in Guns and Voters:

    Homicide rate by country

    Rank Country Value Year
    1 El Salvador 61.80 2017
    2 Jamaica 57.00 2017
    3 Venezuela 56.30 2016
    4 Honduras 41.70 2017
    5 Lesotho 41.20 2015
    6 Belize 37.90 2017
    7 St. Vincent and the Grenadines 36.50 2016
    8 South Africa 35.90 2017
    9 St. Kitts and Nevis 34.20 2012
    10 Trinidad and Tobago 30.90 2015
    10 The Bahamas 30.90 2017
    12 Brazil 30.50 2017
    13 St. Lucia 29.60 2017
    14 Guatemala 26.10 2017
    15 Dominica 25.70 2017
    16 Colombia 24.90 2017
    17 Mexico 24.80 2017
    18 Central African Republic 19.80 2016
    19 Tuvalu 18.60 2012
    20 Puerto Rico 18.50 2017
    21 Namibia 17.10 2012
    22 Botswana 15.00 2010
    23 Guyana 14.80 2017
    24 Seychelles 12.70 2016
    25 Costa Rica 12.30 2017
    26 Cabo Verde 11.50 2016
    27 Dominican Republic 11.30 2017
    28 Grenada 11.10 2017
    29 Uganda 11.00 2017
    30 Barbados 10.50 2017
    31 Antigua and Barbuda 10.30 2012
    32 Papua New Guinea 10.00 2010
    33 Iraq 9.90 2013
    34 Panama 9.70 2017
    35 Haiti 9.50 2016
    35 Eswatini 9.50 2017
    37 Russia 9.20 2017
    38 Paraguay 8.90 2016
    39 Cayman Islands 8.40 2014
    39 Philippines 8.40 2017
    41 Uruguay 8.20 2017
    42 Peru 7.70 2017
    43 Kiribati 7.50 2012
    44 Nicaragua 7.40 2016
    45 Afghanistan 7.10 2017
    46 Zimbabwe 6.70 2012
    46 Yemen 6.70 2013
    48 Bolivia 6.30 2016
    49 Tanzania 6.20 2016
    49 Mongolia 6.20 2017
    49 Ukraine 6.20 2017
    52 Burundi 6.00 2016
    53 Ecuador 5.80 2017
    54 Suriname 5.50 2017
    55 Zambia 5.30 2015
    55 United States 5.30 2017
    55 Greenland 5.30 2016

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    wrote on last edited by Doctor Phibes
    #10

    @jolly If you want to compare the US to those countries to claim success in fighting crime, you've really lost the argument.

    I was only joking

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    • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

      @jolly If you want to compare the US to those countries to claim success in fighting crime, you've really lost the argument.

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      @doctor-phibes said in Guns and Voters:

      @jolly If you want to compare the US to those countries to claim success in fighting crime, you've really lost the argument.

      TG found a list of countries

      I found a different list

      Curse the lists or light a candle

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        #12

        The fact that your list is basically a list of countries that Donald Trump doesn't want people to emigrate from didn't give you pause at all?

        I was only joking

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        • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

          The fact that your list is basically a list of countries that Donald Trump doesn't want people to emigrate from didn't give you pause at all?

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          wrote on last edited by Renauda
          #13

          @doctor-phibes

          No wonder he wanted to annex purchase Greenland from Denmark.

          Elbows up!

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          • CopperC Offline
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            wrote on last edited by
            #14

            There are some unsavory places on my list

            But I also have several that should be considered "developed" that somehow, TG left off her list.

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              wrote on last edited by
              #15

              As some have noticed, the graph I posted was, as the title said, for developed countries excluding South Africa.

              Below is a graph of all countries.

              alt text

              "But is it really fair to compare the U.S. to dangerous, developing countries like Honduras? Probably not. If the data is whittled down to include only developed countries, this is the result:"

              alt text

              "So, what happens if we eliminate South Africa from the analysis?"

              alt text

              "The developed countries in the third graph included: Australia, Austria, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Iceland, Ireland, Israel, Italy, Japan, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Turkey, UK (represented separately as "England & Wales" and "Northern Ireland") and the United States. Excluded from this list were South Africa, for the reasons listed above, as well as Andorra, Bermuda, Faroe Islands, Vatican, Liechtenstein, Monaco and San Marino due to insufficient data."

              If you include many Asia "developed" countries (Japan, Korea, Singapore, Taiwan, etc., it would not make the US look better.

              @Copper I am curious which ones you consider developed equal to the US from your list?

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              • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                As some have noticed, the graph I posted was, as the title said, for developed countries excluding South Africa.

                Below is a graph of all countries.

                alt text

                "But is it really fair to compare the U.S. to dangerous, developing countries like Honduras? Probably not. If the data is whittled down to include only developed countries, this is the result:"

                alt text

                "So, what happens if we eliminate South Africa from the analysis?"

                alt text

                "The developed countries in the third graph included: Australia, Austria, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Iceland, Ireland, Israel, Italy, Japan, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Turkey, UK (represented separately as "England & Wales" and "Northern Ireland") and the United States. Excluded from this list were South Africa, for the reasons listed above, as well as Andorra, Bermuda, Faroe Islands, Vatican, Liechtenstein, Monaco and San Marino due to insufficient data."

                If you include many Asia "developed" countries (Japan, Korea, Singapore, Taiwan, etc., it would not make the US look better.

                @Copper I am curious which ones you consider developed equal to the US from your list?

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                @taiwan_girl said in Guns and Voters:

                @Copper I am curious which ones you consider developed equal to the US from your list?

                Since we became great again there is really only 1.

                Of course this has already begun to slip.

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                • RenaudaR Renauda

                  @doctor-phibes

                  No wonder he wanted to annex purchase Greenland from Denmark.

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                  @renauda said in Guns and Voters:

                  @doctor-phibes

                  No wonder he wanted to annex purchase Greenland from Denmark.

                  I'd always assumed he wanted to build the world's most challenging golf course there.

                  I was only joking

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                  • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                    @renauda said in Guns and Voters:

                    @doctor-phibes

                    No wonder he wanted to annex purchase Greenland from Denmark.

                    I'd always assumed he wanted to build the world's most challenging golf course there.

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                    #18

                    @doctor-phibes said in Guns and Voters:

                    @renauda said in Guns and Voters:

                    @doctor-phibes

                    No wonder he wanted to annex purchase Greenland from Denmark.

                    I'd always assumed he wanted to build the world's most challenging golf course there.

                    Actually, it made pretty good sense from a strategic perspective.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                      @renauda said in Guns and Voters:

                      @doctor-phibes

                      No wonder he wanted to annex purchase Greenland from Denmark.

                      I'd always assumed he wanted to build the world's most challenging golf course there.

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                      @doctor-phibes said in Guns and Voters:

                      @renauda said in Guns and Voters:

                      @doctor-phibes

                      No wonder he wanted to annex purchase Greenland from Denmark.

                      I'd always assumed he wanted to build the world's most challenging golf course there.

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