The Kraken is Backtrackin’
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You know those people who are really, really into Bob Marley, or Van Morrisson, or some other pop singer, and however many times you tell them you don't like them, they keep playing you their stuff to listen to?
I don't. Fucking. Like. Talking Heads. On TV.
I don't mind the band Talking Heads, after a few drinks at least. You can play their stuff. Not the other guys.
@doctor-phibes said in The Kraken is Backtrackin’:
You know those people who are really, really into Bob Marley, or Van Morrisson, or some other pop singer, and however many times you tell them you don't like them, they keep playing you their stuff to listen to?
Maybe I'll give you a tl;dr version next time he's posted about, and you can enlighten us why the synopsis contains bollocks. I don't want you to go out of your way to explain your dismissal of the political tribe you hate most, I just thought maybe it would be a good exercise for you. You'll probably note that most of the right leaning posters here "whining about CNN" are able to specify what it is about their messaging they don't agree with.
Education is extremely important.
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My personal opinion is that anyone who uses the acronym MSM for mainstream media is so far buried in his/her/them perspective that it’s almost impossible to have a clear conversation.
Me personally. I love the MSM. But that’s because I’m very MS.
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@doctor-phibes said in The Kraken is Backtrackin’:
You know those people who are really, really into Bob Marley, or Van Morrisson, or some other pop singer, and however many times you tell them you don't like them, they keep playing you their stuff to listen to?
Maybe I'll give you a tl;dr version next time he's posted about, and you can enlighten us why the synopsis contains bollocks. I don't want you to go out of your way to explain your dismissal of the political tribe you hate most, I just thought maybe it would be a good exercise for you. You'll probably note that most of the right leaning posters here "whining about CNN" are able to specify what it is about their messaging they don't agree with.
@horace said in The Kraken is Backtrackin’:
@doctor-phibes said in The Kraken is Backtrackin’:
You know those people who are really, really into Bob Marley, or Van Morrisson, or some other pop singer, and however many times you tell them you don't like them, they keep playing you their stuff to listen to?
Maybe I'll give you a tl;dr version next time he's posted about, and you can enlighten us why the synopsis contains bollocks. I don't want you to go out of your way to explain your dismissal of the political tribe you hate most, I just thought maybe it would be a good exercise for you. You'll probably note that most of the right leaning posters here "whining about CNN" are able to specify what it is about their messaging they don't agree with.
I'm going to post Charlie Parker videos from YouTube every time you do that. Because Charlie Parker actually was a genius. I am totally uninterested in whether you want to listen to him or not, but I'm going to post them, because he's fucking awesome.
He also managed to wear a bow-tie without looking like a complete cunt.
I was only joking
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My personal opinion is that anyone who uses the acronym MSM for mainstream media is so far buried in his/her/them perspective that it’s almost impossible to have a clear conversation.
Me personally. I love the MSM. But that’s because I’m very MS.
@bachophile said in The Kraken is Backtrackin’:
My personal opinion is that anyone who uses the acronym MSM for mainstream media is so far buried in his/her/them perspective that it’s almost impossible to have a clear conversation.
Me personally. I love the MSM. But that’s because I’m very MS.
All lifetime left-leaning folks are hesitant to admit to an overall political bent to our cultural messaging. I've generalized it to 'pop culture' rather than 'MSM', because 'pop culture' gets more to the heart of the issue.
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@horace said in The Kraken is Backtrackin’:
@doctor-phibes said in The Kraken is Backtrackin’:
You know those people who are really, really into Bob Marley, or Van Morrisson, or some other pop singer, and however many times you tell them you don't like them, they keep playing you their stuff to listen to?
Maybe I'll give you a tl;dr version next time he's posted about, and you can enlighten us why the synopsis contains bollocks. I don't want you to go out of your way to explain your dismissal of the political tribe you hate most, I just thought maybe it would be a good exercise for you. You'll probably note that most of the right leaning posters here "whining about CNN" are able to specify what it is about their messaging they don't agree with.
I'm going to post Charlie Parker videos from YouTube every time you do that. Because Charlie Parker actually was a genius. I am totally uninterested in whether you want to listen to him or not, but I'm going to post them, because he's fucking awesome.
He also managed to wear a bow-tie without looking like a complete cunt.
@doctor-phibes said in The Kraken is Backtrackin’:
@horace said in The Kraken is Backtrackin’:
@doctor-phibes said in The Kraken is Backtrackin’:
You know those people who are really, really into Bob Marley, or Van Morrisson, or some other pop singer, and however many times you tell them you don't like them, they keep playing you their stuff to listen to?
Maybe I'll give you a tl;dr version next time he's posted about, and you can enlighten us why the synopsis contains bollocks. I don't want you to go out of your way to explain your dismissal of the political tribe you hate most, I just thought maybe it would be a good exercise for you. You'll probably note that most of the right leaning posters here "whining about CNN" are able to specify what it is about their messaging they don't agree with.
I'm going to post Charlie Parker videos from YouTube every time you do that. Because Charlie Parker actually was a genius. I am totally uninterested in whether you want to listen to him or not, but I'm going to post them, because he's fucking awesome.
He also managed to wear a bow-tie without looking like a complete cunt.
Fine by me, I'd love to learn more about jazz. I started watching a Miles Davis documentary a while ago, but it didn't grab me.
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Here you go.
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If you like listening to talking heads on TV who reinforce and confirm what you already believe, I'm sure Tucker's great. I've never understood the appeal of these shows, left or right.
I can't even watch the evening entertainment shows any more over here. You guys are fucking obsessed with politics. It's all they talk about. They even bring over British "comedians" to go on about it now, presumably with the idea that James Corden and John Oliver sound more sophisticated. A Brummie!
Personally, I'd rather spend an hour walking my dog.
@doctor-phibes said in The Kraken is Backtrackin’:
Personally, I'd rather spend an hour walking my dog.
There has never been one erg of TV that beats spending time with a dog.
Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka
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@doctor-phibes said in The Kraken is Backtrackin’:
Personally, I'd rather spend an hour walking my dog.
There has never been one erg of TV that beats spending time with a dog.
@catseye3 said in The Kraken is Backtrackin’:
@doctor-phibes said in The Kraken is Backtrackin’:
Personally, I'd rather spend an hour walking my dog.
There has never been one erg of TV that beats spending time with a dog.
My dog also looks very cute with a bow-tie.
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@doctor-phibes said in The Kraken is Backtrackin’:
Of course, you are fully entitled to your opinion regarding what is objectively true, however I think he's dreadful.
Name an alternative. Name a smarter talking head. The way you put it, it’s as if there are many. Let’s hear who you think is smarter. And by the way I can think of many smart people who I think are dreadful.
@loki said in The Kraken is Backtrackin’:
@doctor-phibes said in The Kraken is Backtrackin’:
Of course, you are fully entitled to your opinion regarding what is objectively true, however I think he's dreadful.
Name an alternative. Name a smarter talking head. The way you put it, it’s as if there are many. Let’s hear who you think is smarter. And by the way I can think of many smart people who I think are dreadful.
(I will say at the beginning that I do not know who Tucker Carlson is, but at least very little).
But, I believe that there is a confusion about smartness and entertaining when talking about TV people.
Tucker (or Rachel or anybody like that) may be entertaining and know how to get their side excited, but that does not necessarily mean that they are smart. They may be a good speaker, etc but that is not the same thing as smart.
I am sure that many people here know (or have been in contact with ) someone at work, in government etc.
Maybe they are pretty popular or powerful. From the outside, people may say, "wow, that guy is smart!" Those who know him, say, "What an idiot! I can't believe he got the position he is in"
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@loki said in The Kraken is Backtrackin’:
@doctor-phibes said in The Kraken is Backtrackin’:
Of course, you are fully entitled to your opinion regarding what is objectively true, however I think he's dreadful.
Name an alternative. Name a smarter talking head. The way you put it, it’s as if there are many. Let’s hear who you think is smarter. And by the way I can think of many smart people who I think are dreadful.
(I will say at the beginning that I do not know who Tucker Carlson is, but at least very little).
But, I believe that there is a confusion about smartness and entertaining when talking about TV people.
Tucker (or Rachel or anybody like that) may be entertaining and know how to get their side excited, but that does not necessarily mean that they are smart. They may be a good speaker, etc but that is not the same thing as smart.
I am sure that many people here know (or have been in contact with ) someone at work, in government etc.
Maybe they are pretty popular or powerful. From the outside, people may say, "wow, that guy is smart!" Those who know him, say, "What an idiot! I can't believe he got the position he is in"
@taiwan_girl said in The Kraken is Backtrackin’:
@loki said in The Kraken is Backtrackin’:
@doctor-phibes said in The Kraken is Backtrackin’:
Of course, you are fully entitled to your opinion regarding what is objectively true, however I think he's dreadful.
Name an alternative. Name a smarter talking head. The way you put it, it’s as if there are many. Let’s hear who you think is smarter. And by the way I can think of many smart people who I think are dreadful.
(I will say at the beginning that I do not know who Tucker Carlson is, but at least very little).
But, I believe that there is a confusion about smartness and entertaining when talking about TV people.
Tucker (or Rachel or anybody like that) may be entertaining and know how to get their side excited, but that does not necessarily mean that they are smart. They may be a good speaker, etc but that is not the same thing as smart.
I am sure that many people here know (or have been in contact with ) someone at work, in government etc.
Maybe they are pretty popular or powerful. From the outside, people may say, "wow, that guy is smart!" Those who know him, say, "What an idiot! I can't believe he got the position he is in"
That's all well and good, but some of us in this thread have expressed specific opinions about specific people, about whom we know something. It is actually possible to have a political opinion that sides one way or another without having succumbed to confirmation bias, or some other logical fallacy du jour. That's why it helps to engage people on specifics.
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What we don't actually know is how much of his stuff he writes himself.
Presumably he has writers. In fact, we know he does, as one of his writers resigned after being caught writing unpleasant things elsewhere.
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What we don't actually know is how much of his stuff he writes himself.
Presumably he has writers. In fact, we know he does, as one of his writers resigned after being caught writing unpleasant things elsewhere.
@doctor-phibes said in The Kraken is Backtrackin’:
What we don't actually know is how much of his stuff he writes himself.
Presumably he has writers. In fact, we know he does, as one of his writers resigned after being caught writing unpleasant things elsewhere.
Yes, he has writers. He's also written books himself, and I've heard him in a long form interview format. I consider him an interesting and thoughtful guy who makes a lot of points that resonate with me.
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A recent monologue...
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@taiwan_girl said in The Kraken is Backtrackin’:
They may be a good speaker, etc but that is not the same thing as smart.
I think that is true of politicians, for example our current VP, future POTUS.
But I think to climb to the top of that industry takes some intelligence.
Of course there are exceptions. One that comes to mind is the lady who sat next to Wolf and rolled her eyes and giggled every time anyone said "Sarah Palin".
Somehow the director caught this discrete move on camera with a closeup every time.
