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Biden is considering a major federal tax increase

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  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

    He campaigned on it. Can’t tell you the timing of our discussions on it.

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    @jon-nyc said in Biden is considering a major federal tax increase:

    He campaigned on it.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=biden+tax+increase&lr=&hl=en&as_qdr=all&sxsrf=ALeKk00TG4bqhcCkwLl2rFaN1yvSwDv_mw%3A1615843388288&source=lnt&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A7%2F1%2F2020%2Ccd_max%3A11%2F3%2F2020&tbm=

    I'll grant you that it was a subject of discussion, but I'm not sure "he campaigned on it" is accurate.

    In fact, I'm not sure he really campaigned on anything other than the fact that he is not Trump, LOL.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      True that. But he talked openly about repeal of the 2018 corporate tax breaks and raising taxes on 400k+.

      Only non-witches get due process.

      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

        True that. But he talked openly about repeal of the 2018 corporate tax breaks and raising taxes on 400k+.

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        @jon-nyc said in Biden is considering a major federal tax increase:

        True that. But he talked openly about repeal of the 2018 corporate tax breaks and raising taxes on 400k+.

        Did it hit this forum?

        (asking for a friend)

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          jon-nyc
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          https://nodebb.the-new-coffee-room.club/topic/4835/62-64/2?_=1615844764405

          Only non-witches get due process.

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            If those increases happen, we will quickly settle the debate about Presidents and their effects on the stock market.

            Education is extremely important.

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            • HoraceH Horace

              If those increases happen, we will quickly settle the debate about Presidents and their effects on the stock market.

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              @horace I haven't really followed your debate with TG but it seems to me the debate can't be 'quickly' settled. No one is on the side of 'US president can't move markets in short term'. The debate is more about multiyear market trends, is it not?

              Only non-witches get due process.

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              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                @horace I haven't really followed your debate with TG but it seems to me the debate can't be 'quickly' settled. No one is on the side of 'US president can't move markets in short term'. The debate is more about multiyear market trends, is it not?

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                @jon-nyc said in Biden is considering a major federal tax increase:

                @horace I haven't really followed your debate with TG but it seems to me the debate can't be 'quickly' settled. No one is on the side of 'US president can't move markets in short term'. The debate is more about multiyear market trends, is it not?

                I am sure one can handwave the idea that higher corporate taxes are better for the stock market in the long term, even in the face of an incontrovertible fact of the demonstrated short term effect.

                Education is extremely important.

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                • MikM Away
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                  He and Harris are doing a road show for that and an infrastructure bill this week.

                  Hard to argue against investing in infrastructure.

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  • MikM Mik

                    He and Harris are doing a road show for that and an infrastructure bill this week.

                    Hard to argue against investing in infrastructure.

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                    @mik said in Biden is considering a major federal tax increase:

                    Hard to argue against investing in infrastructure.

                    Yes, as long as that's what it for.

                    Will it be (cough) "Shovel Ready?"

                    I'm sorry to be so skeptical about this, but, does anyone really believe that any such program won't be filled with crap like the most recent COVID "relief" bill?

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • HoraceH Horace

                      If those increases happen, we will quickly settle the debate about Presidents and their effects on the stock market.

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                      @horace said in Biden is considering a major federal tax increase:

                      If those increases happen, we will quickly settle the debate about Presidents and their effects on the stock market.

                      555 👫

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                      • MikM Mik

                        He and Harris are doing a road show for that and an infrastructure bill this week.

                        Hard to argue against investing in infrastructure.

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                        @mik said in Biden is considering a major federal tax increase:

                        He and Harris are doing a road show for that and an infrastructure bill this week.

                        Hard to argue against investing in infrastructure.

                        Trump begged for one. The Dems said no bueno.

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        • MikM Away
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                          In fairness a lot of GOP said no too.

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                          • MikM Mik

                            In fairness a lot of GOP said no too.

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                            @mik said in Biden is considering a major federal tax increase:

                            In fairness a lot of GOP said no too.

                            True.

                            But if there was any bill which could have generated bipartisan support, it would be infrastructure.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              Trump’s infrastructure plans were wishful thinking bullshit.

                              The 2018 infrastructure plan proposed that the federal government put up $200B but expect unnamed states, municipalities, and private sector partners to put up $1.5T for the plan to work. It’s essentially an unfunded PR piece, a gimmick.

                              In 2019 the Trump administration and the Democrats were talking about a $2T infrastructure plan but Trump himself cancelled the follow-up meeting after railing about Congress’ investigation of Trump.

                              In 2020 the White House talked about a $1T infrastructure “plan”, again without saying where the funding would come from, but never actually put out a plan — it was in the middle of the pandemic, and cut close to the election. Empty talk with no concrete plan, misplaced priorities against the COVID-19 pandemic, election year noise ... put the three together and you know it couldn’t be taken seriously.

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                              • AxtremusA Axtremus

                                Trump’s infrastructure plans were wishful thinking bullshit.

                                The 2018 infrastructure plan proposed that the federal government put up $200B but expect unnamed states, municipalities, and private sector partners to put up $1.5T for the plan to work. It’s essentially an unfunded PR piece, a gimmick.

                                In 2019 the Trump administration and the Democrats were talking about a $2T infrastructure plan but Trump himself cancelled the follow-up meeting after railing about Congress’ investigation of Trump.

                                In 2020 the White House talked about a $1T infrastructure “plan”, again without saying where the funding would come from, but never actually put out a plan — it was in the middle of the pandemic, and cut close to the election. Empty talk with no concrete plan, misplaced priorities against the COVID-19 pandemic, election year noise ... put the three together and you know it couldn’t be taken seriously.

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                                @axtremus said in Biden is considering a major federal tax increase:

                                Trump’s infrastructure plans were wishful thinking bullshit.

                                The 2018 infrastructure plan proposed that the federal government put up $200B but expect unnamed states, municipalities, and private sector partners to put up $1.5T for the plan to work. It’s essentially an unfunded PR piece, a gimmick.

                                In 2019 the Trump administration and the Democrats were talking about a $2T infrastructure plan but Trump himself cancelled the follow-up meeting after railing about Congress’ investigation of Trump.

                                In 2020 the White House talked about a $1T infrastructure “plan”, again without saying where the funding would come from, but never actually put out a plan — it was in the middle of the pandemic, and cut close to the election. Empty talk with no concrete plan, misplaced priorities against the COVID-19 pandemic, election year noise ... put the three together and you know it couldn’t be taken seriously.

                                An investigation on silly bullshit, that even the people pushing it knew it was bullshit.

                                You want to compromise and move the country forward? Blame that dumpster fire on Pelosi and Schumer,who put political power ahead of country.

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  Is part of the tax increase to fund the record number of immigrants coming in? It’s the highest in 20 years.

                                  Rich people deserve to know where that money is going.

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                                  • L Loki

                                    Is part of the tax increase to fund the record number of immigrants coming in? It’s the highest in 20 years.

                                    Rich people deserve to know where that money is going.

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                                    @loki said in Biden is considering a major federal tax increase:

                                    Is part of the tax increase to fund the record number of immigrants coming in? It’s the highest in 20 years.

                                    Rich people deserve to know where that money is going.

                                    Nah, the money is for infrastructure. It only tangentially goes to Manual Labor.

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    • JollyJ Jolly

                                      @loki said in Biden is considering a major federal tax increase:

                                      Is part of the tax increase to fund the record number of immigrants coming in? It’s the highest in 20 years.

                                      Rich people deserve to know where that money is going.

                                      Nah, the money is for infrastructure. It only tangentially goes to Manual Labor.

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                                      @jolly said in Biden is considering a major federal tax increase:

                                      It only tangentially goes to Manual Manuel Labor.

                                      There.

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        Mik
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                                        Jose can you see?

                                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                          https://www.wsj.com/articles/down-the-biden-tax-threshold-11616360766?mod=e2fb&fbclid=IwAR35Fov9LHKG2Zxi5QQjBC_NVCFr9PIWRPkGZXRKqTPIMbyFdg8FZAC9fx0

                                          President Biden is now conceding that a tax increase is coming to pay for all of his new spending, though he’s still obfuscating who will pay. Mr. Biden campaigned on a pledge not to raise taxes on anyone earning less than $400,000 a year. He reaffirmed that threshold last week in an ABC interview.

                                          “Anybody making more than $400,000 will see a small to a significant tax increase,” Mr. Biden told George Stephanopoulos. He added: “If you make less than $400,000, you won’t see one single penny in additional federal tax.”

                                          White House press secretary Jen Psaki later conceded that the $400,000 threshold was for “families,” not individuals. So if you’re a two-income household making $200,000 each, you could get whacked.

                                          This is a familiar tax bait and switch. Democrats promise they’ll tax only the rich, but there aren’t enough rich, and the rich don’t have enough money to finance the Democratic Party’s endless spending schemes. Millions of the Americans Mr. Biden wants to tax aren’t rich. They are successful Americans, typically at the peak of their earning lives, who might make $200,000 for a few years.

                                          Watch closely as the Biden plans unfold in case Democrats try to slip in new taxes on energy, such as a gas or carbon tax, that would apply even to those who make less than $200,000. Eventually, perhaps in some debt-financing panic, they’ll press for a value-added tax on consumption as well. As everyone knows, the middle class is where the real money is, and sooner or later they’re coming after you.

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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