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UBI experiments and results

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  • AxtremusA Offline
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    https://www.businessinsider.com/stockton-basic-income-experiment-success-employment-wellbeing-2021-3

    “In Stockton, California, 125 residents got $500 per month, no strings attached, for two years.
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    After one year, full-time employment had increased in the group, and depression and anxiety decreased.
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      I’d want to know:

      1. were the success factors decided in advance of the experiment? Or were these just two metrics that had improved so they’re running with them?

      2. Was there a control group?

      Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

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        The article might call it a 'success,' but I would not reach for that label just yet.

        UBI is still new that there is not much of a theoretical or modeling framework to go with it, not enough to definitively nail down criteria for success or failure yet.

        At this point I'm OK with just observations -- which metrics improved for whom, which other metrics deteriorated for whom, etc.

        One article on one experiment is not going to give a comprehensive picture, and it's given that each article will have its bias. My intention is to keep collecting more articles on more UBI experiments and see if some pattern emerge.

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        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

          I’d want to know:

          1. were the success factors decided in advance of the experiment? Or were these just two metrics that had improved so they’re running with them?

          2. Was there a control group?

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          I wonder how weekly therapist visits would work or perhaps Prozac vs the weekly fancy meal.

          Maybe Prozac in the water.

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          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

            I’d want to know:

            1. were the success factors decided in advance of the experiment? Or were these just two metrics that had improved so they’re running with them?

            2. Was there a control group?

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            @jon-nyc said in UBI experiments and results:

            I’d want to know:

            1. were the success factors decided in advance of the experiment? Or were these just two metrics that had improved so they’re running with them?

            2. Was there a control group?

            Indeed. Without a control group, a test like that is meaningless.

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              Loki
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              The mayor lost re-election this past November. Lol

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              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                I’d want to know:

                1. were the success factors decided in advance of the experiment? Or were these just two metrics that had improved so they’re running with them?

                2. Was there a control group?

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                @jon-nyc said in UBI experiments and results:

                I’d want to know:

                1. were the success factors decided in advance of the experiment? Or were these just two metrics that had improved so they’re running with them?

                2. Was there a control group?

                Exactly my thoughts...

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                • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                  @jon-nyc said in UBI experiments and results:

                  I’d want to know:

                  1. were the success factors decided in advance of the experiment? Or were these just two metrics that had improved so they’re running with them?

                  2. Was there a control group?

                  Exactly my thoughts...

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                  @lufins-dad said in UBI experiments and results:

                  @jon-nyc said in UBI experiments and results:

                  I’d want to know:

                  1. were the success factors decided in advance of the experiment? Or were these just two metrics that had improved so they’re running with them?

                  2. Was there a control group?

                  Exactly my thoughts...

                  The article does discuss the control group.

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                    "Full-time employment among basic-income recipients rose to 40% from 28% during the program's first year. In the control group, full-time employment increased as well, though less dramatically: to 37% from 32%."

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                    • L Loki

                      The mayor lost re-election this past November. Lol

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                      @loki said in UBI experiments and results:

                      The mayor lost re-election this past November. Lol

                      Well, there's your control....

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