Near the top half of his class.
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wrote on 5 Mar 2021, 13:08 last edited by
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wrote on 5 Mar 2021, 13:26 last edited by
Sounds like a super low performing school that likely everyone knew about but no one bothered to expose until now.
The real question not addressed is why did it go on for so long. No way it just got exposed.
It’s been just fine as is.
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wrote on 5 Mar 2021, 13:34 last edited by
In Baltimore, that school may not be an anomaly...
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Sounds like a super low performing school that likely everyone knew about but no one bothered to expose until now.
The real question not addressed is why did it go on for so long. No way it just got exposed.
It’s been just fine as is.
wrote on 5 Mar 2021, 13:43 last edited byBaltimore City Public Schools is fifth in the country when it comes to spending on schools – more than $15,000 spent per student.
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wrote on 5 Mar 2021, 13:53 last edited by
Top half of his class in a Baltimore City Public School? He’s probably got Universities lined up to admit him.
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wrote on 5 Mar 2021, 13:56 last edited by
His mother didn't realise he wasn't going to graduate until his senior year, if you believe the article.
It might not be the school that's the problem.
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His mother didn't realise he wasn't going to graduate until his senior year, if you believe the article.
It might not be the school that's the problem.
wrote on 5 Mar 2021, 13:57 last edited by@doctor-phibes said in Near the top half of his class.:
His mother didn't realise he wasn't going to graduate until his senior year, if you believe the article.
It might not be the school that's the problem.
Hey, he’s still above average. She’s doing pretty well on the curve.
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wrote on 5 Mar 2021, 14:01 last edited by Doctor Phibes 3 May 2021, 14:02
When I was a student teacher back in the 1980's we went into some inner city schools, and the teachers there would have put some of the folks in the nice places to shame with their enthusiasm and motivation, and drive to succeed.
Their results were certainly nowhere near as good as the places in the leafy suburbs, and the bean-counters would undoubtedly have considered them 'inferior'.
Obviously, this was Manchester, not Baltimore.
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wrote on 5 Mar 2021, 16:52 last edited by
The problem occurred 12 years before he entered high school.
And it can't be fixed with money.
Hard work is the only option. If only that could be said out loud.
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wrote on 5 Mar 2021, 17:43 last edited by
Obviously the classes are too challenging when a .13 is in the top half of his class. The only reasonable choice is to lower the standards of the courses so his grades would be a solid C. He should also be given a full ride to University of Maryland to help end this cycle of misery.
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Obviously the classes are too challenging when a .13 is in the top half of his class. The only reasonable choice is to lower the standards of the courses so his grades would be a solid C. He should also be given a full ride to University of Maryland to help end this cycle of misery.
wrote on 5 Mar 2021, 17:58 last edited by@lufins-dad said in Near the top half of his class.:
Obviously the classes are too challenging when a .13 is in the top half of his class. The only reasonable choice is to lower the standards of the courses so his grades would be a solid C. He should also be given a full ride to University of Maryland to help end this cycle of misery.
Klaus, please look into this. I think Ax hacked LD's account.
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wrote on 5 Mar 2021, 18:10 last edited by
The saddest thing about this is the educational establishment’s current solution to this problem is to define it away.
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The saddest thing about this is the educational establishment’s current solution to this problem is to define it away.
wrote on 5 Mar 2021, 18:17 last edited by xenon 3 May 2021, 18:18@jon-nyc said in Near the top half of his class.:
The saddest thing about this is the educational establishment’s current solution to this problem is to define it away.
This is the danger of letting social problems get out of hand.
Wealth inequality for example - I think it's important to tackle, not because there needs to be equality, but because you don't want people to lose faith in the system.
Once they do - they may come up with much more drastic solutions, and they can vote.
I feel like something similar may have happened with woke culture.
There are real problems in certain minority communities - but there probably was a dismissive tone from the "other side" about having to bootstrap yourself out of it.
Now (once you have all this weird woke shit going now), the "other side" would probably want nothing more than to talk about solutions to the actual problems in minority communities.
To be clear - I'm not blaming the "other side". It's just, sometimes you have to get over being "right" and working on a solution.
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wrote on 5 Mar 2021, 18:35 last edited by
No
This problem has nothing to do with money
Nothing
The worst performing school systems now get the most money - by a lot
The children have to be taught to read and speak English at the latest before age 3 or 4.
Then they have to be held to a strict standard.
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No
This problem has nothing to do with money
Nothing
The worst performing school systems now get the most money - by a lot
The children have to be taught to read and speak English at the latest before age 3 or 4.
Then they have to be held to a strict standard.
wrote on 5 Mar 2021, 18:40 last edited by xenon 3 May 2021, 18:40@copper said in Near the top half of his class.:
No
This problem has nothing to do with money
Nothing
The worst performing school systems now get the most money - by a lot
The children have to be taught to read and speak English at the latest before age 3 or 4.
Then they have to be held to a strict standard.
I never said it had anything to do with money. It's probably difficult family/social problems manifesting themselves in school.
If these kids parents don't care about school, there is no amount of strict standards that will change that.
Question is - what do you do to change that?
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@copper said in Near the top half of his class.:
No
This problem has nothing to do with money
Nothing
The worst performing school systems now get the most money - by a lot
The children have to be taught to read and speak English at the latest before age 3 or 4.
Then they have to be held to a strict standard.
I never said it had anything to do with money. It's probably difficult family/social problems manifesting themselves in school.
If these kids parents don't care about school, there is no amount of strict standards that will change that.
Question is - what do you do to change that?
wrote on 5 Mar 2021, 18:42 last edited by@xenon said in Near the top half of his class.:
@copper said in Near the top half of his class.:
No
This problem has nothing to do with money
Nothing
The worst performing school systems now get the most money - by a lot
The children have to be taught to read and speak English at the latest before age 3 or 4.
Then they have to be held to a strict standard.
I never said it had anything to do with money. It's probably difficult family/social problems manifesting themselves in school.
If these kids parents don't care about school, there is no amount of strict standards that will change that.
Question is - what do you do to change that?
Boarding school.
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No
This problem has nothing to do with money
Nothing
The worst performing school systems now get the most money - by a lot
The children have to be taught to read and speak English at the latest before age 3 or 4.
Then they have to be held to a strict standard.
wrote on 5 Mar 2021, 18:44 last edited by xenon 3 May 2021, 18:44@copper said in Near the top half of his class.:
The children have to be taught to read and speak English at the latest before age 3 or 4.
On this specific point - isn't learning to read by age 3 very early? I think you're saying they should begin to learn by then. (agreed - that'd be best)
The English part is a bit debatable. My parents didn't know how to speak English. My English was probably poor at age 4 (though I did have cousins in the same house who spoke English).
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wrote on 5 Mar 2021, 18:45 last edited by
It's not the strict standard that matters, it's holding the student to the strict standard.
If they don't meet the standard - too bad. They don't get the all expense paid trip to college.
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@xenon said in Near the top half of his class.:
@copper said in Near the top half of his class.:
No
This problem has nothing to do with money
Nothing
The worst performing school systems now get the most money - by a lot
The children have to be taught to read and speak English at the latest before age 3 or 4.
Then they have to be held to a strict standard.
I never said it had anything to do with money. It's probably difficult family/social problems manifesting themselves in school.
If these kids parents don't care about school, there is no amount of strict standards that will change that.
Question is - what do you do to change that?
Boarding school.
wrote on 5 Mar 2021, 18:47 last edited by@jolly said in Near the top half of his class.:
@xenon said in Near the top half of his class.:
@copper said in Near the top half of his class.:
No
This problem has nothing to do with money
Nothing
The worst performing school systems now get the most money - by a lot
The children have to be taught to read and speak English at the latest before age 3 or 4.
Then they have to be held to a strict standard.
I never said it had anything to do with money. It's probably difficult family/social problems manifesting themselves in school.
If these kids parents don't care about school, there is no amount of strict standards that will change that.
Question is - what do you do to change that?
Boarding school.
That would work. Basically parent replacement.
Is it palatable on a large scale? The program would have to be voluntary.
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It's not the strict standard that matters, it's holding the student to the strict standard.
If they don't meet the standard - too bad. They don't get the all expense paid trip to college.
wrote on 5 Mar 2021, 18:50 last edited by@copper said in Near the top half of his class.:
It's not the strict standard that matters, it's holding the student to the strict standard.
If they don't meet the standard - too bad. They don't get the all expense paid trip to college.
I think we're talking about 2 different problems though. I don't think many kids are headed to any sort of college where the top half GPA is 0.13
That's a whole other level of messed up.
You're talking about the "everyone can go to college with government student loans" problem. Which should be pulled back. But, I'm guessing people with 0.13 GPAs are not ending up in college. I'd be floored if that were the case.