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Nov 2, 2020: "Is your ballot safe?"

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  • AxtremusA Offline
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    Like on the Y2K bug, the overwhelming majority of the information technology community woke up on January 1, 2000, examined the various IT systems, and declared that the world has largely averted the Y2K disaster.

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      No. It's not like that at all. Billions and billions of dollars and man hours were poured into averting the Y2K issue. Nothing like that happened here.

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      • MikM Mik

        No. It's not like that at all. Billions and billions of dollars and man hours were poured into averting the Y2K issue. Nothing like that happened here.

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        @mik said in Nov 2, 2020: "Is your ballot safe?":

        No. It's not like that at all. Billions and billions of dollars and man hours were poured into averting the Y2K issue. Nothing like that happened here.

        See https://www.eac.gov/payments-and-grants/election-security-funds for federal money appropriated for election security. You can look up additional state appropriations if you wish.

        The point is the experts who work closely with the systems examined the systems and largely found that the systems worked fine -- the various bad things people thought might happen have been shown to have largely been averted.

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          Nah, Ax is full-o-shit, but he just won't admit it. Turkey's elections are fairer and more transparent than ours. That's not a complement.

          Even Jimmy Carter has said that mail-in ballots are very susceptible to fraud. Except in very limited circumstances, we simply don't need them.

          We do badly need an election system that is fair, verifiable and safe, unless we wish to install permanent scepticism in the results. When free people no longer believe their elections are not fair, bad things happen.

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            Nah, Ax is full-o-shit, but he just won't admit it. Turkey's elections are fairer and more transparent than ours. That's not a complement.

            Even Jimmy Carter has said that mail-in ballots are very susceptible to fraud. Except in very limited circumstances, we simply don't need them.

            We do badly need an election system that is fair, verifiable and safe, unless we wish to install permanent scepticism in the results. When free people no longer believe their elections are not fair, bad things happen.

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            @jolly said in Nov 2, 2020: "Is your ballot safe?":

            Even Jimmy Carter has said that mail-in ballots are very susceptible to fraud.

            It’s nice to see you give credence to President Carter’s pronouncements. 🙂

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            • AxtremusA Axtremus

              @jolly said in Nov 2, 2020: "Is your ballot safe?":

              Even Jimmy Carter has said that mail-in ballots are very susceptible to fraud.

              It’s nice to see you give credence to President Carter’s pronouncements. 🙂

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              @axtremus said in Nov 2, 2020: "Is your ballot safe?":

              @jolly said in Nov 2, 2020: "Is your ballot safe?":

              Even Jimmy Carter has said that mail-in ballots are very susceptible to fraud.

              It’s nice to see you give credence to President Carter’s pronouncements. 🙂

              Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • JollyJ Jolly

                @axtremus said in Nov 2, 2020: "Is your ballot safe?":

                @jolly said in Nov 2, 2020: "Is your ballot safe?":

                Even Jimmy Carter has said that mail-in ballots are very susceptible to fraud.

                It’s nice to see you give credence to President Carter’s pronouncements. 🙂

                Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

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                @jolly said in Nov 2, 2020: "Is your ballot safe?":

                Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

                It really depends on the technology and the failure mode.
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                • AxtremusA Axtremus

                  @jolly said in Nov 2, 2020: "Is your ballot safe?":

                  Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

                  It really depends on the technology and the failure mode.
                  alt text

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                  @axtremus said in Nov 2, 2020: "Is your ballot safe?":

                  @jolly said in Nov 2, 2020: "Is your ballot safe?":

                  Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

                  It really depends on the technology and the failure mode.
                  alt text

                  When did they invent digital clocks?

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • JollyJ Jolly

                    @axtremus said in Nov 2, 2020: "Is your ballot safe?":

                    @jolly said in Nov 2, 2020: "Is your ballot safe?":

                    Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

                    It really depends on the technology and the failure mode.
                    alt text

                    When did they invent digital clocks?

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                    @jolly said in Nov 2, 2020: "Is your ballot safe?":

                    When did they invent digital clocks?

                    1883 A.D.

                    @Jolly the digital clock is but one example that breaks your "a broken clock is right twice a day" saying. Even with older, decidedly analog, time indicating technologies, there are failure modes that render the "a broken clock is right twice a day" saying inapplicable. Take, for example, a sundial with a bent or missing 'stick', it would not tell the right time twice a day.

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                      In England, a sundial is right about once a month.

                      I was only joking

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                      • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                        In England, a sundial is right about once a month.

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                        @doctor-phibes said in Nov 2, 2020: "Is your ballot safe?":

                        In England, a sundial is right about once a month.

                        Well, that's better than Ax....

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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