Almost a Year Later, There’s Still No Evidence Showing Governments Can Control the Spread of Covid-19
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I have no knowledge of this author, or of the site.
tl;dr version: Everything the government did made no difference. He focuses a lot on Florida vs California, looking at mortality, cases, etc, pointing to seasonality as a factor in spread of the virus.
Florida has zero restrictions on bars, breweries, indoor dining, gyms, places of worship, gathering sizes, and almost all schools are offering in-person instruction. California, on the other hand, retains heavy restrictions in each of these areas. At the very least, Florida's hospitalizations and deaths per million should be substantially worse than California's. Those who predicted death and destruction as a consequence of Florida's September reopening simply cannot see these results as anything other than utterly remarkable. Even White House covid advisor Andy Slavitt, much to the establishment’s embarrassment, had no explanation for Florida’s success relative to California. Slavitt was reduced to parroting establishment talking points after admitting that Florida’s surprisingly great numbers were “just a little beyond our explanation.”
Lots of charts, including this one:
@george-k said in Almost a Year Later, There’s Still No Evidence Showing Governments Can Control the Spread of Covid-19:
I have no knowledge of this author, or of the site.
Anthony graduated from Grove City College in 2018 with a B.A. in Economics. He has been a student of the Austrian School of Economics for over 8 years and a champion of Rothbardian libertarianism.
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That graphs says that no measures implemented to stop covid made any difference.
It also says that something made a difference.
But it wasn't the things included in the restriction index.
I wonder which component of the restriction index could be changed to make the restrictions look effective.
As the pressure grows to remove all restrictions and masks, this sort of graph will get more popular.
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Overall, perhaps. But it cannot account for individual instances where what you or I did made a difference. I choose to believe these results are skewed by compliance levels. Restrictions and compliance are two different things.
“I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill
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If it's a choice between listening to Doctor Fauci, or a guy who describes himself as 'a champion of Rothbardian libertarianism' and who graduated 2 years ago, I'll take the guy who's actually qualified any time.
No, I don't mean the dickhead journalist.
I was only joking
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If it's a choice between listening to Doctor Fauci, or a guy who describes himself as 'a champion of Rothbardian libertarianism' and who graduated 2 years ago, I'll take the guy who's actually qualified any time.
No, I don't mean the dickhead journalist.
@doctor-phibes said in Almost a Year Later, There’s Still No Evidence Showing Governments Can Control the Spread of Covid-19:
If it's a choice between listening to Doctor Fauci, or a guy who describes himself as 'a champion of Rothbardian libertarianism' and who graduated 2 years ago, I'll take the guy who's actually qualified any time.
No, I don't mean the dickhead journalist.
Is Fauci more qualified than many other epidemiologists?
Or is he just more political?
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If it's a choice between listening to Doctor Fauci, or a guy who describes himself as 'a champion of Rothbardian libertarianism' and who graduated 2 years ago, I'll take the guy who's actually qualified any time.
No, I don't mean the dickhead journalist.
@doctor-phibes said in Almost a Year Later, There’s Still No Evidence Showing Governments Can Control the Spread of Covid-19:
If it's a choice between listening to Doctor Fauci, or a guy who describes himself as 'a champion of Rothbardian libertarianism' and who graduated 2 years ago, I'll take the guy who's actually qualified any time.
No, I don't mean the dickhead journalist.
I live in DC. I've learned to have multiple misgivings about anybody who's paycheck comes from The United States Government.
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I wasn't comparing him to other epidemiologists. I was comparing him to a guy who got a degree in economics two years ago.
What are the majority of experts saying?
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Overall, perhaps. But it cannot account for individual instances where what you or I did made a difference. I choose to believe these results are skewed by compliance levels. Restrictions and compliance are two different things.
@mik said in Almost a Year Later, There’s Still No Evidence Showing Governments Can Control the Spread of Covid-19:
Restrictions and compliance are two different things.
I think the point is somewhere near that
You can restrict whatever you want but it doesn't matter if citizens don't comply
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@jon-nyc said in Almost a Year Later, There’s Still No Evidence Showing Governments Can Control the Spread of Covid-19:
And how does he explain Taiwan vs UK?
Or Thailand or Singapore or New Zealand.
Of course, compliance by the people has a big big part of it.
Kind of a goofy article. For example, if no one follows stopping at a red light, and there many intersection accidents, he would probably say - "Government requirements for Red lights provide no safety for auto drivers"
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@mik said in Almost a Year Later, There’s Still No Evidence Showing Governments Can Control the Spread of Covid-19:
Restrictions and compliance are two different things.
I think the point is somewhere near that
You can restrict whatever you want but it doesn't matter if citizens don't comply
@copper said in Almost a Year Later, There’s Still No Evidence Showing Governments Can Control the Spread of Covid-19:
@mik said in Almost a Year Later, There’s Still No Evidence Showing Governments Can Control the Spread of Covid-19:
Restrictions and compliance are two different things.
I think the point is somewhere near that
You can restrict whatever you want but it doesn't matter if citizens don't comply
Bingo!
Guess who most non compliers are too? Yup! They follow the words of their master in all things.
I also think in my heart, not with evidence of course, that there are many more asymptomatics out there than they estimate. I think herd immunity is closer than estimated. It would be nice to have some test more readily available to see if one already had the dammed bug. -
@mik said in Almost a Year Later, There’s Still No Evidence Showing Governments Can Control the Spread of Covid-19:
God, you are tiresome.
Hard truths spoken here against your tribe are hard to hear. I understand Mik. I'm not as smooth as Jon and John at making my point, I agree.
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I don't have a tribe, you blithering jackass. And I sure as hell don't have a master. But an intelligent conversation was taking place and you just came in and shit all over it for no particular reason. Larry's not here. he can't hurt you anymore. So stop pretending. Or hallucinating, whatever it is.
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@jolly said in Almost a Year Later, There’s Still No Evidence Showing Governments Can Control the Spread of Covid-19:
Might as well drag Aqua into it...
So, what does that say about mask/no mask?
Assuming masks are used properly, I don't see how you can explain around the simple physics of how masks work.
Please love yourself.
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@mik said in Almost a Year Later, There’s Still No Evidence Showing Governments Can Control the Spread of Covid-19:
God, you are tiresome.
Hard truths spoken here against your tribe are hard to hear. I understand Mik. I'm not as smooth as Jon and John at making my point, I agree.
@nobodyssock said in Almost a Year Later, There’s Still No Evidence Showing Governments Can Control the Spread of Covid-19:
I'm not as smooth as Jon and John at making my point, I agree.
I am sure they are thrilled that you consider them ideological peers.
Education is extremely important.
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@jolly said in Almost a Year Later, There’s Still No Evidence Showing Governments Can Control the Spread of Covid-19:
Might as well drag Aqua into it...
So, what does that say about mask/no mask?
Assuming masks are used properly, I don't see how you can explain around the simple physics of how masks work.
@aqua-letifer said in Almost a Year Later, There’s Still No Evidence Showing Governments Can Control the Spread of Covid-19:
@jolly said in Almost a Year Later, There’s Still No Evidence Showing Governments Can Control the Spread of Covid-19:
Might as well drag Aqua into it...
So, what does that say about mask/no mask?
Assuming masks are used properly, I don't see how you can explain around the simple physics of how masks work.
It's not just physics
You might as well say that NFL football is just physics
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Restaurant, bar, gym owners are hopping mad here in San Diego. We are still in the "red" tier preventing full reopening. It's appalling how many small businesses will go under because of these non-scientific edicts. All the pols are drunk on their power. The Newsom recall will happen, probably in August. Rumor says it will be by "mail-in" ballots. Gee, I bet Gavin will gladly welcome that. He'll likely survive.
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Restaurant, bar, gym owners are hopping mad here in San Diego. We are still in the "red" tier preventing full reopening. It's appalling how many small businesses will go under because of these non-scientific edicts. All the pols are drunk on their power. The Newsom recall will happen, probably in August. Rumor says it will be by "mail-in" ballots. Gee, I bet Gavin will gladly welcome that. He'll likely survive.
@sd-tav said in Almost a Year Later, There’s Still No Evidence Showing Governments Can Control the Spread of Covid-19:
It's appalling how many small businesses will go under
How many of them have tried to adapt?
Very few have gone under around here.
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@sd-tav said in Almost a Year Later, There’s Still No Evidence Showing Governments Can Control the Spread of Covid-19:
It's appalling how many small businesses will go under
How many of them have tried to adapt?
Very few have gone under around here.
@aqua-letifer Well, many have tried to adapt with outdoor facilities. I go to a gym that has a nice outdoor setup. I actually now prefer working out outdoors. But, the problem is that many restaurants can't get by with only outdoor and takeout business. One owner was on the news saying he was losing $5000 a week even with limited outdoor and takeout. In my area of San Diego when I drive around I now see a fair number of shuttered businesses. Most are small Mom-and-Pop type. The big chains are going to survive, although a big tech store I used to visit called Fry's Electronics has apparently closed for good. I also heard that Best Buy is closing some stores, but none so far in California. Complete re-opening has got to happen soon.
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