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Puzzle time - algebra edition

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  • KlausK Offline
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    We have all learned the following equations about numbers in school.

    1. x + y = y + x
    2. (x + y) + z = x + (y + z)
    3. x · 1 = x
    4. x · y = y · x
    5. (x · y) · z = x · (y · z)
    6. x · (y + z) = x · y + x ·z
    7. 1^x = 1
    8. x^1 = x
    9. x^(y + z) = x^y · x^z
    10. (x · y)^z = x^z · y^z
    11. (x^y)^z = x^(y · z)
    12. 0 + x = x
    13. x·0 = 0
    14. x^0 = 1

    Now let's say the variables stand for sets and not numbers. Can you give an interpretation of "+","·" and "^", "1" and "0" such that the equations hold, when "=" stands for "there exists a bijection between left hand side and right hand side"?

    Now let's say the variables stand for logical propositions and not numbers. Can you give an interpretation of "+","·" and "^", "1" and "0" such that the equations hold, when "=" stands for logical equivalence?

    In both tasks, can you find a "2" such that "1+1=2"?

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      Link to video

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        @bachophile 😆 I am glad I am not the only one who did not understand. 555

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          @bachophile 😆 I am glad I am not the only one who did not understand. 555

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          George K
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          @taiwan_girl said in Puzzle time - algebra edition:

          @bachophile 😆 I am glad I am not the only one who did not understand. 555

          That makes at least three of us.

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          • KlausK Offline
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            Hey, what are you all doing in this thread? I was hoping that the title would scare off math-challenged posters 😉

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            • jon-nycJ Online
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              Do the operator mappings have to be unique?

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                Jon chimes in to let us know he understands the question.

                Right....tell the truth Klaus, u just made up the word bijection.

                Sounds filthy to me.

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                • MikM Offline
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                  Needs pronouns.

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                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                    Do the operator mappings have to be unique?

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                    @jon-nyc said in Puzzle time - algebra edition:

                    Do the operator mappings have to be unique?

                    I'm not sure what you have in mind, but I mean that, for instance, "+" is interpreted as an operation on sets (for the first task) or logical propositions (for the second task). For instance, you could map "+" to "intersection" (that choice would satisfy equations 1 and 2, but it would be hard to make it work for the other equations, too).

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                    • KlausK Offline
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                      Just as a little teaser, this puzzle illustrates the probably most beautiful result of 20th century mathematics/logic. A result that inspired the works of Field medalists and created whole new subfields in mathematics.

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                        Could you map two symbols to the same operator?

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                          Sure.

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                            OK, maybe not the right audience here for this kind of puzzle 🙂

                            Anyway, just for closure, here's a solution:

                            For sets:

                            the operator + is set union
                            · is set intersection
                            A^B is the set of functions from B to A
                            1 is any one-element set
                            0 is the empty set
                            2 is any two-element set

                            For logical propositions:

                            the operator + is disjunction
                            · is conjunction
                            A^B is the implication B -> A
                            1 is logical truth
                            0 is logical falsity
                            2 is also logical truth (because 2 = 1 + 1 = true OR true = true )

                            As usual for mathematics, I'll leave the verification of the equations from the original post as an exercise to the reader 🙂 .

                            These mappings form the basis the so-called "Curry-Howard correspondence" and, more recently, "homotopy type theory", an influential modern attempt to "reboot" mathematics.

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                            • KlausK Klaus

                              OK, maybe not the right audience here for this kind of puzzle 🙂

                              Anyway, just for closure, here's a solution:

                              For sets:

                              the operator + is set union
                              · is set intersection
                              A^B is the set of functions from B to A
                              1 is any one-element set
                              0 is the empty set
                              2 is any two-element set

                              For logical propositions:

                              the operator + is disjunction
                              · is conjunction
                              A^B is the implication B -> A
                              1 is logical truth
                              0 is logical falsity
                              2 is also logical truth (because 2 = 1 + 1 = true OR true = true )

                              As usual for mathematics, I'll leave the verification of the equations from the original post as an exercise to the reader 🙂 .

                              These mappings form the basis the so-called "Curry-Howard correspondence" and, more recently, "homotopy type theory", an influential modern attempt to "reboot" mathematics.

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                              jon-nyc
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                              @klaus said in Puzzle time - algebra edition:

                              A^B is the implication B -> A

                              I tried that and ruled it out (erroneously) thinking it failed 7

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