Any guesses?
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Trump not conceding is a threat to democratic peaceful transfer of power.
Trump not calling, at this point, looks like mere pettiness.
Biden not calling (or taking the call from) Israel’s current Prime Minister, that can have legitimate, strategic foreign policy reasons it. Let’s see how that pans out. I see no reason why any foreign head of government should feel entitled to a phone call with our head of state.
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Trump not conceding is a threat to democratic peaceful transfer of power.
Trump not calling, at this point, looks like mere pettiness.
Biden not calling (or taking the call from) Israel’s current Prime Minister, that can have legitimate, strategic foreign policy reasons it. Let’s see how that pans out. I see no reason why any foreign head of government should feel entitled to a phone call with our head of state.
@axtremus said in Any guesses?:
Trump not conceding is a threat to democratic peaceful transfer of power.
You haven't commented on Stacy Abrams. Yeah, it's whataboutism. Years later, she still hasn't conceded and is considered a leader in the Democrat party.
Trump not calling, at this point, looks like mere pettiness.
Agreed. Politeness is not one of his strong suits.
Biden not calling (or taking the call from) Israel’s current Prime Minister, that can have legitimate, strategic foreign policy reasons it. Let’s see how that pans out. I see no reason why any foreign head of government should feel entitled to a phone call with our head of state.
Every president for the last 40 years has made that call. Why do you think Biden has not - I doubt strategic policy reasons for it. I suspect something more mundane, and (ahem) petty.
In fact, he made the call yesterday. What's changed in foreign policy in the last 30 days, if your theory is right?
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@axtremus said in Any guesses?:
Trump not conceding is a threat to democratic peaceful transfer of power.
You haven't commented on Stacy Abrams. Yeah, it's whataboutism. Years later, she still hasn't conceded and is considered a leader in the Democrat party.
Trump not calling, at this point, looks like mere pettiness.
Agreed. Politeness is not one of his strong suits.
Biden not calling (or taking the call from) Israel’s current Prime Minister, that can have legitimate, strategic foreign policy reasons it. Let’s see how that pans out. I see no reason why any foreign head of government should feel entitled to a phone call with our head of state.
Every president for the last 40 years has made that call. Why do you think Biden has not - I doubt strategic policy reasons for it. I suspect something more mundane, and (ahem) petty.
In fact, he made the call yesterday. What's changed in foreign policy in the last 30 days, if your theory is right?
@george-k said in Any guesses?:
@axtremus said in Any guesses?:
Trump not conceding is a threat to democratic peaceful transfer of power.
You haven't commented on Stacy Abrams. Yeah, it’s whataboutism.
She was not occupying a public office and she had to no power to transfer. She also did not incite violence to overturn election results. Trying to compare Stacy Abrams to Donald Trump is false equivalence.
Not that you cannot do whataboutism, just try to do better whataboutism.
Every president for the last 40 years has made that call. Why do you think Biden has not - I doubt strategic policy reasons for it. I suspect something more mundane, and (ahem) petty.
Just because every President did for the last 40 years does not make it right or necessary. I want to keep the position that says our new/incoming head of state does not owe any other foreign heads of states or foreign heads of government any courtesy phone call.
As an American, I do not want to make it a matter of course to expect, much less to pressure, my country’s new/incoming head of state to call some foreign heads of states or foreign heads of governments just out of old habit.
In fact, he made the call yesterday. What's changed in foreign policy in the last 30 days, if your theory is right?
Wait for more information, something may have happened at the lower levels in the last thirty days that made it acceptable for Biden to talk directly to Netanyahu.
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@george-k said in Any guesses?:
@axtremus said in Any guesses?:
Trump not conceding is a threat to democratic peaceful transfer of power.
You haven't commented on Stacy Abrams. Yeah, it’s whataboutism.
She was not occupying a public office and she had to no power to transfer. She also did not incite violence to overturn election results. Trying to compare Stacy Abrams to Donald Trump is false equivalence.
Not that you cannot do whataboutism, just try to do better whataboutism.
Every president for the last 40 years has made that call. Why do you think Biden has not - I doubt strategic policy reasons for it. I suspect something more mundane, and (ahem) petty.
Just because every President did for the last 40 years does not make it right or necessary. I want to keep the position that says our new/incoming head of state does not owe any other foreign heads of states or foreign heads of government any courtesy phone call.
As an American, I do not want to make it a matter of course to expect, much less to pressure, my country’s new/incoming head of state to call some foreign heads of states or foreign heads of governments just out of old habit.
In fact, he made the call yesterday. What's changed in foreign policy in the last 30 days, if your theory is right?
Wait for more information, something may have happened at the lower levels in the last thirty days that made it acceptable for Biden to talk directly to Netanyahu.
@axtremus said in Any guesses?:
She was not occupying a public office and she had to no power to transfer. She also did not incite violence to overturn election results. Trying to compare Stacy Abrams to Donald Trump is false equivalence.
Fair enough.
However, Like Trump she said the election was stolen, questioning the fundamentals of our electoral system.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/06/stacey-abrams-stolen-election-myth-endures-democratic-party/
But by repeating a myth about a stolen election — and amplifying it by saying that it is a product of a national conspiracy by Republicans to prevent minorities from voting — they are doing something far worse. These claims do more to undermine confidence that American elections are free and fair than anything the Russians might have done in 2016 or are plotting to do in the future. By allowing a legend to become accepted as fact, they are chipping away at the rule of law in ways that are deluding their followers into believing that they’re living in a racist and corrupt tyranny in which the system is rigged against them.
The irony is that this comes from the same party that spent much of the fall of 2016 warning that Donald Trump and his supporters would never accept defeat and worrying that democracy was under threat from loose talk that fraud was the only way he could lose. Democrats were not wrong to worry about the damage that kind of rhetoric does to the public’s faith in the system.
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They're equally dreadful, and both should be banned from ever running for office again.
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@taiwan_girl said in Any guesses?:
What is stopping a country leader from picking up the phone and calling President Biden?
Seems kind of weird to have this be a problem.Nothing.
But this is different from other presidents. And that's the point of the original post - a break from tradition.
I'd pay good money to read the letter that was left in the desk in the oval office, by the way. Not a lot of money, but it would be good.
@george-k said in Any guesses?:
@taiwan_girl said in Any guesses?:
What is stopping a country leader from picking up the phone and calling President Biden?
Seems kind of weird to have this be a problem.Nothing.
But this is different from other presidents. And that's the point of the original post - a break from tradition.
George, I believe the previous POTUS shattered enough tradition to fill a landfill.
As bach pointed out the other day, the current POTUS failing to phone Bibi N. is not an issue to be concerned about. Other items going on between Israel and the US indicate everything is in good working order and as it should be.
Elbows up!
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@axtremus said in Any guesses?:
Trump not conceding is a threat to democratic peaceful transfer of power.
You haven't commented on Stacy Abrams. Yeah, it's whataboutism. Years later, she still hasn't conceded and is considered a leader in the Democrat party.
Trump not calling, at this point, looks like mere pettiness.
Agreed. Politeness is not one of his strong suits.
Biden not calling (or taking the call from) Israel’s current Prime Minister, that can have legitimate, strategic foreign policy reasons it. Let’s see how that pans out. I see no reason why any foreign head of government should feel entitled to a phone call with our head of state.
Every president for the last 40 years has made that call. Why do you think Biden has not - I doubt strategic policy reasons for it. I suspect something more mundane, and (ahem) petty.
In fact, he made the call yesterday. What's changed in foreign policy in the last 30 days, if your theory is right?
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@george-k said in Any guesses?:
@taiwan_girl said in Any guesses?:
What is stopping a country leader from picking up the phone and calling President Biden?
Seems kind of weird to have this be a problem.Nothing.
But this is different from other presidents. And that's the point of the original post - a break from tradition.
George, I believe the previous POTUS shattered enough tradition to fill a landfill.
As bach pointed out the other day, the current POTUS failing to phone Bibi N. is not an issue to be concerned about. Other items going on between Israel and the US indicate everything is in good working order and as it should be.
@renauda said in Any guesses?:
George, I believe the previous POTUS shattered enough tradition to fill a landfill.
No question. But, in a larger sense, we're arguing about price, right?
"But Mom! He hit me first!"
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@renauda said in Any guesses?:
George, I believe the previous POTUS shattered enough tradition to fill a landfill.
No question. But, in a larger sense, we're arguing about price, right?
"But Mom! He hit me first!"
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@renauda said in Any guesses?:
George, I believe the previous POTUS shattered enough tradition to fill a landfill.
No question. But, in a larger sense, we're arguing about price, right?
"But Mom! He hit me first!"
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@taiwan_girl said in Any guesses?:
What is stopping a country leader from picking up the phone and calling President Biden?
Seems kind of weird to have this be a problem.Nothing.
But this is different from other presidents. And that's the point of the original post - a break from tradition.
I'd pay good money to read the letter that was left in the desk in the oval office, by the way. Not a lot of money, but it would be good.
@george-k said in Any guesses?:
@taiwan_girl said in Any guesses?:
What is stopping a country leader from picking up the phone and calling President Biden?
Seems kind of weird to have this be a problem.Nothing.
But this is different from other presidents. And that's the point of the original post - a break from tradition.
I'd pay good money to read the letter that was left in the desk in the oval office, by the way. Not a lot of money, but it would be good.
President Trump and Premier Xi spoke after President Trump won election in 2016 but was not even yet inaugurated.
President Biden did not speak with Premier Xi the first time until ~20 days after inauguration.
What does that mean? Is President Biden tougher on China than President Trump?
