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WaPo columnist - We don't need an impeachment trial.

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    George K
    wrote on 3 Feb 2021, 22:18 last edited by
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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trumps-second-impeachment-succeeded-but-a-senate-trial-could-backfire/2021/02/02/053ec802-658b-11eb-8c64-9595888caa15_story.html

    ...is therefore a significant question as to whether the Senate should proceed to a trial that is foreordained to acquit. Some would argue that the risks of a failed impeachment are worth taking to preserve the principle that no person is above the rule of law. Yet whether pursuing another impeachment destined for failure would actually accomplish this purpose is far from clear. An acquittal might send a stronger message of impunity than would no prosecution at all; a failed impeachment might encourage a future president to further test the limits of presidential power. And while a conviction could prevent Trump from running again, an acquittal would likely only increase his electoral chances while simultaneously boosting the prospects of his allies. There is therefore little to be gained and much to lose: A Senate trial that will end only in futility is not a good idea.
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    The purpose of impeachment is not only to punish bad acts. It is also to deter future misconduct. Those in the House of Representatives who supported impeaching Trump for incitement of insurrection should take heart that their effort accomplished exactly that. There is no need to bring the matter to trial. The impeachment has already succeeded.

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      Jolly
      wrote on 3 Feb 2021, 23:42 last edited by
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      Actually, it was head-banging stupid to impeach him either time.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        jon-nyc
        wrote on 4 Feb 2021, 00:04 last edited by jon-nyc 2 Apr 2021, 00:04
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        Nonsense. This is by far and away the best impeachment in our nearly 250 year history. It's the only one that will age well.

        But for Trump's post-election antics, the insurrection wouldn't have happened.

        Only non-witches get due process.

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          Copper
          wrote on 4 Feb 2021, 00:19 last edited by
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          The insurrection will only get smaller with time.

          A couple duffusses took some goofy pictures then ran away.

          The wimpiest insurrection ever

          It had no leaders, no goals and only lasted a few minutes and nobody seems to have any interest in bringing it back

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            4 Feb 2021, 00:04

            Nonsense. This is by far and away the best impeachment in our nearly 250 year history. It's the only one that will age well.

            But for Trump's post-election antics, the insurrection wouldn't have happened.

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            Jolly
            wrote on 4 Feb 2021, 00:24 last edited by
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            @jon-nyc said in WaPo columnist - We don't need an impeachment trial.:

            Nonsense. This is by far and away the best impeachment in our nearly 250 year history. It's the only one that will age well.

            But for Trump's post-election antics, the insurrection wouldn't have happened.

            Purely political impeachment that cheapens and degrades the whole process into political kabuki theater.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              3 Feb 2021, 22:18

              https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trumps-second-impeachment-succeeded-but-a-senate-trial-could-backfire/2021/02/02/053ec802-658b-11eb-8c64-9595888caa15_story.html

              ...is therefore a significant question as to whether the Senate should proceed to a trial that is foreordained to acquit. Some would argue that the risks of a failed impeachment are worth taking to preserve the principle that no person is above the rule of law. Yet whether pursuing another impeachment destined for failure would actually accomplish this purpose is far from clear. An acquittal might send a stronger message of impunity than would no prosecution at all; a failed impeachment might encourage a future president to further test the limits of presidential power. And while a conviction could prevent Trump from running again, an acquittal would likely only increase his electoral chances while simultaneously boosting the prospects of his allies. There is therefore little to be gained and much to lose: A Senate trial that will end only in futility is not a good idea.
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              The purpose of impeachment is not only to punish bad acts. It is also to deter future misconduct. Those in the House of Representatives who supported impeaching Trump for incitement of insurrection should take heart that their effort accomplished exactly that. There is no need to bring the matter to trial. The impeachment has already succeeded.

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              Loki
              wrote on 4 Feb 2021, 01:05 last edited by
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              Defending an own goal is a tough tour of duty.

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