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    Axtremus
    wrote on 26 Apr 2020, 19:15 last edited by Axtremus
    #1

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/04/20/trump-could-make-crashing-oil-prices-win-american-taxpayers-heres-how/

    Sounds logical, but I worry about mutating the strategic petroleum reserve into a profit-making vehicle. Feels like that is going to lead to abuse and other very bad things in the future.

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      jon-nyc
      wrote on 26 Apr 2020, 19:17 last edited by
      #2

      Just fill the damn thing up when it’s cheap and be done with it.

      Only non-witches get due process.

      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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        Mik
        wrote on 26 Apr 2020, 20:26 last edited by
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        I have no issue at all with the federal government buying low and selling high. And it ain't gonna get any lower. Hell, we might get them to pay us to take it.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          George K
          wrote on 15 Nov 2021, 11:30 last edited by
          #4

          https://news.yahoo.com/schumer-urges-biden-tap-oil-213422664.html

          Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) urged the Biden administration on Sunday to tap into the nation's emergency petroleum reserves in order to curb soaring gas prices, Reuters reported.

          Schumer said at a press conference that consumers need "immediate relief at the gas pump" and urged the administration to approve sales from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve.

          When asked whether President Biden would be willing to open the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, National Economic Council director Brian Deese told CNN's "State of the Union" on Sunday that "all options are on the table."

          "We are very committed to do everything that we can to make sure that American consumers don't bear the brunt of high gas prices and value tile (I assume he said 'volatile') energy prices," Deese said.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            George K
            wrote on 20 Nov 2021, 14:19 last edited by
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            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              Mik
              wrote on 20 Nov 2021, 14:22 last edited by
              #6

              Nothing like consistency.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              • M Mik
                20 Nov 2021, 14:22

                Nothing like consistency.

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                George K
                wrote on 20 Nov 2021, 14:29 last edited by
                #7

                @mik said in Using the Strategic Petroleum Reserve to make profit for the tax payers:

                Nothing like consistency.

                Same site.
                Same author
                Nine days

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  George K
                  wrote on 23 Nov 2021, 13:45 last edited by
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                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    Jolly
                    wrote on 23 Nov 2021, 14:25 last edited by
                    #9

                    That's not the purpose of the reserve.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      Mik
                      wrote on 23 Nov 2021, 14:55 last edited by
                      #10

                      No, but similar things have been done.

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                        Copper
                        wrote on 23 Nov 2021, 15:41 last edited by
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                        Eventually all of savings will be gone

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                          George K
                          wrote on 23 Nov 2021, 23:59 last edited by
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                          Charles Lane (WSJ) said the biggest mistake of doing this is letting the people think that the president actually has some control over gasoline prices.

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            Mik
                            wrote on 24 Nov 2021, 00:32 last edited by
                            #13

                            It’s just a Hail Mary going into midterms.

                            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              24 Nov 2021, 00:32

                              It’s just a Hail Mary going into midterms.

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                              George K
                              wrote on 24 Nov 2021, 00:37 last edited by
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                              @mik said in Using the Strategic Petroleum Reserve to make profit for the tax payers:

                              It’s just a Hail Mary going into midterms.

                              Who's going to remember it 9-10 months from now?

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                Mik
                                wrote on 24 Nov 2021, 00:54 last edited by
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                                No one but he can claim he tried to lower prices and ignore all the stuff he has done to discourage domestic production.

                                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                  Mik
                                  wrote on 24 Nov 2021, 00:56 last edited by Mik
                                  #16

                                  ..

                                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                    Jolly
                                    wrote on 24 Nov 2021, 04:56 last edited by
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                                    Folks, it's 2.5 days of energy...

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    • M Mik
                                      24 Nov 2021, 00:54

                                      No one but he can claim he tried to lower prices and ignore all the stuff he has done to discourage domestic production.

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                                      Renauda
                                      wrote on 24 Nov 2021, 14:22 last edited by Renauda
                                      #18

                                      @mik said in Using the Strategic Petroleum Reserve to make profit for the tax payers:

                                      No one but he can claim he tried to lower prices and ignore all the stuff he has done to discourage domestic production.

                                      You realize that he will be soon fighting a 15 billion USD claim from TCPL under chapter 11 of NAFTA over the cancellation of Keystone XL. I suspect the Alberta Government will file also for and additional 1.5 billion in losses.

                                      Elbows up!

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                                      • RenaudaR Renauda
                                        24 Nov 2021, 14:22

                                        @mik said in Using the Strategic Petroleum Reserve to make profit for the tax payers:

                                        No one but he can claim he tried to lower prices and ignore all the stuff he has done to discourage domestic production.

                                        You realize that he will be soon fighting a 15 billion USD claim from TCPL under chapter 11 of NAFTA over the cancellation of Keystone XL. I suspect the Alberta Government will file also for and additional 1.5 billion in losses.

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                                        Mik
                                        wrote on 24 Nov 2021, 14:33 last edited by
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                                        @renauda said in Using the Strategic Petroleum Reserve to make profit for the tax payers:

                                        @mik said in Using the Strategic Petroleum Reserve to make profit for the tax payers:

                                        No one but he can claim he tried to lower prices and ignore all the stuff he has done to discourage domestic production.

                                        You realize that he will be soon fighting a 15 billion USD claim from TCPL under chapter 11 of NAFTA over the cancellation of Keystone XL. I suspect the Alberta Government will file also claim for and additional 1.5 billion in losses.

                                        Good. Sops to your voters have consequences for the country.

                                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                        • M Mik
                                          24 Nov 2021, 00:54

                                          No one but he can claim he tried to lower prices and ignore all the stuff he has done to discourage domestic production.

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                                          kluurs
                                          wrote on 24 Nov 2021, 14:47 last edited by
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                                          @mik said in Using the Strategic Petroleum Reserve to make profit for the tax payers:

                                          and ignore all the stuff he has done to discourage domestic production.

                                          https://www.npr.org/2021/11/17/1056713397/the-biden-administration-sold-oil-and-gas-leases-days-after-the-climate-summit

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