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  • L LuFins Dad
    14 Jan 2021, 03:54

    @jon-nyc said in What the hell were they thinking?:

    @lufins-dad

    Why do you take the rally on the 6th as your t=0?

    Why were they even there? How many of these clowns knew what the significance of Jan 6th was before November? Or even before Trump promoted it?
    Why did 10s of millions absorb the stolen election memetic complex?
    Why did the movement get so much oxygen in right wing media?
    Why did Wood and Powell get so much attention?
    How many 10s of millions of people did he promote Flynn’s tweets to?

    Does any of that stand up to Brandenburg? That’s a decision for the courts. Not you, not me, and sure as hell not Nancy Pelosi. So let’s put it to them.

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    jon-nyc
    wrote on 14 Jan 2021, 03:59 last edited by
    #29

    @lufins-dad

    Aren’t we discussing impeachment? It’s open and shut. This is the only impeachment in our history that will improve with age.

    But to your question, criminal liability? No way. Not unless we learn something yuge from the investigation.

    Only non-witches get due process.

    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
    L 1 Reply Last reply 14 Jan 2021, 04:12
    • L LuFins Dad
      14 Jan 2021, 03:54

      @jon-nyc said in What the hell were they thinking?:

      @lufins-dad

      Why do you take the rally on the 6th as your t=0?

      Why were they even there? How many of these clowns knew what the significance of Jan 6th was before November? Or even before Trump promoted it?
      Why did 10s of millions absorb the stolen election memetic complex?
      Why did the movement get so much oxygen in right wing media?
      Why did Wood and Powell get so much attention?
      How many 10s of millions of people did he promote Flynn’s tweets to?

      Does any of that stand up to Brandenburg? That’s a decision for the courts. Not you, not me, and sure as hell not Nancy Pelosi. So let’s put it to them.

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      xenon
      wrote on 14 Jan 2021, 04:00 last edited by
      #30

      @lufins-dad said in What the hell were they thinking?:

      @jon-nyc said in What the hell were they thinking?:

      @lufins-dad

      Why do you take the rally on the 6th as your t=0?

      Why were they even there? How many of these clowns knew what the significance of Jan 6th was before November? Or even before Trump promoted it?
      Why did 10s of millions absorb the stolen election memetic complex?
      Why did the movement get so much oxygen in right wing media?
      Why did Wood and Powell get so much attention?
      How many 10s of millions of people did he promote Flynn’s tweets to?

      Does any of that stand up to Brandenburg? That’s a decision for the courts. Not you, not me, and sure as hell not Nancy Pelosi. So let’s put it to them.

      If you killed someone’s mother in front of them and the killer got killed in retaliation, that wouldn’t stand up to the Brandenburg test either.

      L 1 Reply Last reply 14 Jan 2021, 04:04
      • X xenon
        14 Jan 2021, 04:00

        @lufins-dad said in What the hell were they thinking?:

        @jon-nyc said in What the hell were they thinking?:

        @lufins-dad

        Why do you take the rally on the 6th as your t=0?

        Why were they even there? How many of these clowns knew what the significance of Jan 6th was before November? Or even before Trump promoted it?
        Why did 10s of millions absorb the stolen election memetic complex?
        Why did the movement get so much oxygen in right wing media?
        Why did Wood and Powell get so much attention?
        How many 10s of millions of people did he promote Flynn’s tweets to?

        Does any of that stand up to Brandenburg? That’s a decision for the courts. Not you, not me, and sure as hell not Nancy Pelosi. So let’s put it to them.

        If you killed someone’s mother in front of them and the killer got killed in retaliation, that wouldn’t stand up to the Brandenburg test either.

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        LuFins Dad
        wrote on 14 Jan 2021, 04:04 last edited by
        #31

        @xenon said in What the hell were they thinking?:

        @lufins-dad said in What the hell were they thinking?:

        @jon-nyc said in What the hell were they thinking?:

        @lufins-dad

        Why do you take the rally on the 6th as your t=0?

        Why were they even there? How many of these clowns knew what the significance of Jan 6th was before November? Or even before Trump promoted it?
        Why did 10s of millions absorb the stolen election memetic complex?
        Why did the movement get so much oxygen in right wing media?
        Why did Wood and Powell get so much attention?
        How many 10s of millions of people did he promote Flynn’s tweets to?

        Does any of that stand up to Brandenburg? That’s a decision for the courts. Not you, not me, and sure as hell not Nancy Pelosi. So let’s put it to them.

        If you killed someone’s mother in front of them and the killer got killed in retaliation, that wouldn’t stand up to the Brandenburg test either.

        WTF? I don’t even see the analogy you are shooting for?

        Brandenburg is specifically the benchmark for incitement to violence by public speech.

        The Brad

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        • L LuFins Dad
          14 Jan 2021, 04:04

          @xenon said in What the hell were they thinking?:

          @lufins-dad said in What the hell were they thinking?:

          @jon-nyc said in What the hell were they thinking?:

          @lufins-dad

          Why do you take the rally on the 6th as your t=0?

          Why were they even there? How many of these clowns knew what the significance of Jan 6th was before November? Or even before Trump promoted it?
          Why did 10s of millions absorb the stolen election memetic complex?
          Why did the movement get so much oxygen in right wing media?
          Why did Wood and Powell get so much attention?
          How many 10s of millions of people did he promote Flynn’s tweets to?

          Does any of that stand up to Brandenburg? That’s a decision for the courts. Not you, not me, and sure as hell not Nancy Pelosi. So let’s put it to them.

          If you killed someone’s mother in front of them and the killer got killed in retaliation, that wouldn’t stand up to the Brandenburg test either.

          WTF? I don’t even see the analogy you are shooting for?

          Brandenburg is specifically the benchmark for incitement to violence by public speech.

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          xenon
          wrote on 14 Jan 2021, 04:07 last edited by xenon
          #32

          @lufins-dad said in What the hell were they thinking?:

          @xenon said in What the hell were they thinking?:

          @lufins-dad said in What the hell were they thinking?:

          @jon-nyc said in What the hell were they thinking?:

          @lufins-dad

          Why do you take the rally on the 6th as your t=0?

          Why were they even there? How many of these clowns knew what the significance of Jan 6th was before November? Or even before Trump promoted it?
          Why did 10s of millions absorb the stolen election memetic complex?
          Why did the movement get so much oxygen in right wing media?
          Why did Wood and Powell get so much attention?
          How many 10s of millions of people did he promote Flynn’s tweets to?

          Does any of that stand up to Brandenburg? That’s a decision for the courts. Not you, not me, and sure as hell not Nancy Pelosi. So let’s put it to them.

          If you killed someone’s mother in front of them and the killer got killed in retaliation, that wouldn’t stand up to the Brandenburg test either.

          WTF? I don’t even see the analogy you are shooting for?

          Brandenburg is specifically the benchmark for incitement to violence by public speech.

          You can get people riled up to the point of crime, without being criminally liable for riling them up.

          L 1 Reply Last reply 14 Jan 2021, 04:20
          • J jon-nyc
            14 Jan 2021, 03:59

            @lufins-dad

            Aren’t we discussing impeachment? It’s open and shut. This is the only impeachment in our history that will improve with age.

            But to your question, criminal liability? No way. Not unless we learn something yuge from the investigation.

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            LuFins Dad
            wrote on 14 Jan 2021, 04:12 last edited by
            #33

            @jon-nyc said in What the hell were they thinking?:

            @lufins-dad

            Aren’t we discussing impeachment? It’s open and shut. This is the only impeachment in our history that will improve with age.

            But to your question, criminal liability? No way. Not unless we learn something yuge from the investigation.

            If it’s not criminal, then how can he be impeached for High Crime? This is actually worse than the 2019 impeachment and is in fact weakening the impeachment power by Congress.

            The Brad

            J 1 Reply Last reply 14 Jan 2021, 04:24
            • X xenon
              14 Jan 2021, 04:07

              @lufins-dad said in What the hell were they thinking?:

              @xenon said in What the hell were they thinking?:

              @lufins-dad said in What the hell were they thinking?:

              @jon-nyc said in What the hell were they thinking?:

              @lufins-dad

              Why do you take the rally on the 6th as your t=0?

              Why were they even there? How many of these clowns knew what the significance of Jan 6th was before November? Or even before Trump promoted it?
              Why did 10s of millions absorb the stolen election memetic complex?
              Why did the movement get so much oxygen in right wing media?
              Why did Wood and Powell get so much attention?
              How many 10s of millions of people did he promote Flynn’s tweets to?

              Does any of that stand up to Brandenburg? That’s a decision for the courts. Not you, not me, and sure as hell not Nancy Pelosi. So let’s put it to them.

              If you killed someone’s mother in front of them and the killer got killed in retaliation, that wouldn’t stand up to the Brandenburg test either.

              WTF? I don’t even see the analogy you are shooting for?

              Brandenburg is specifically the benchmark for incitement to violence by public speech.

              You can get people riled up to the point of crime, without being criminally liable for riling them up.

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              LuFins Dad
              wrote on 14 Jan 2021, 04:20 last edited by
              #34

              @xenon said in What the hell were they thinking?:

              @lufins-dad said in What the hell were they thinking?:

              @xenon said in What the hell were they thinking?:

              @lufins-dad said in What the hell were they thinking?:

              @jon-nyc said in What the hell were they thinking?:

              @lufins-dad

              Why do you take the rally on the 6th as your t=0?

              Why were they even there? How many of these clowns knew what the significance of Jan 6th was before November? Or even before Trump promoted it?
              Why did 10s of millions absorb the stolen election memetic complex?
              Why did the movement get so much oxygen in right wing media?
              Why did Wood and Powell get so much attention?
              How many 10s of millions of people did he promote Flynn’s tweets to?

              Does any of that stand up to Brandenburg? That’s a decision for the courts. Not you, not me, and sure as hell not Nancy Pelosi. So let’s put it to them.

              If you killed someone’s mother in front of them and the killer got killed in retaliation, that wouldn’t stand up to the Brandenburg test either.

              WTF? I don’t even see the analogy you are shooting for?

              Brandenburg is specifically the benchmark for incitement to violence by public speech.

              You can get people riled up to the point of crime, without being criminally liable for riling them up.

              So you’re saying Bernie is responsible for the gunman that attacked the congressional softball event? Good to know. And should we even talk about Obama’s “They bring a knife, then we bring a gun!”

              The actual violent nutjobs were obviously not influenced by Trump’s words. If they were then they would have peacefully and patriotically made their voices heard.

              What that has to do with answering one criminally violent and horrendous act with another violent and horrendous act escapes me.

              The Brad

              X 1 Reply Last reply 14 Jan 2021, 04:39
              • L LuFins Dad
                14 Jan 2021, 04:12

                @jon-nyc said in What the hell were they thinking?:

                @lufins-dad

                Aren’t we discussing impeachment? It’s open and shut. This is the only impeachment in our history that will improve with age.

                But to your question, criminal liability? No way. Not unless we learn something yuge from the investigation.

                If it’s not criminal, then how can he be impeached for High Crime? This is actually worse than the 2019 impeachment and is in fact weakening the impeachment power by Congress.

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                jon-nyc
                wrote on 14 Jan 2021, 04:24 last edited by
                #35

                @lufins-dad said in What the hell were they thinking?:

                If it’s not criminal, then how can he be impeached for High Crime?

                Because ‘high crimes and misdemeanors’ is a concept that goes back to the Middle Ages and doesn’t mean ‘a violation of federal statute’.

                This is actually worse than the 2019 impeachment and is in fact weakening the impeachment power by Congress.

                I think you will come to think otherwise in the fullness of time.

                Only non-witches get due process.

                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
                L 1 Reply Last reply 14 Jan 2021, 04:31
                • J jon-nyc
                  14 Jan 2021, 04:24

                  @lufins-dad said in What the hell were they thinking?:

                  If it’s not criminal, then how can he be impeached for High Crime?

                  Because ‘high crimes and misdemeanors’ is a concept that goes back to the Middle Ages and doesn’t mean ‘a violation of federal statute’.

                  This is actually worse than the 2019 impeachment and is in fact weakening the impeachment power by Congress.

                  I think you will come to think otherwise in the fullness of time.

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                  LuFins Dad
                  wrote on 14 Jan 2021, 04:31 last edited by
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                  @jon-nyc said in What the hell were they thinking?:

                  @lufins-dad said in What the hell were they thinking?:

                  If it’s not criminal, then how can he be impeached for High Crime?

                  Because ‘high crimes and misdemeanors’ is a concept that goes back to the Middle Ages and doesn’t mean ‘a violation of federal statute’.

                  This is actually worse than the 2019 impeachment and is in fact weakening the impeachment power by Congress.

                  I think you will come to think otherwise in the fullness of time.

                  We’re talking crime and criminality... Pretty basic concept.

                  Unless an investigation shows Trump actually conspiring with QAnon, I doubt my opinion will change much.

                  I still stand by my original statement, I CAN see criminal charges being brought against Trump and would not personally mind... But I do doubt that he would be convicted.

                  But either way, a 2 hour speech fest by the House with no evidence, no investigation, no testimony? That’s a fvcking joke and always will be.

                  The Brad

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                    kluurs
                    wrote on 14 Jan 2021, 04:38 last edited by
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                    Some of the folks who have been identified.

                    A former Navy Seal who boasted of breaking into the Capitol.

                    It appears a few police were involved in the assault and the notion that the invaders were unarmed has been disproved.

                    The Chicago Tribune reports on this guy - "“We will surround the (expletive) White House and we will kill any (expletive) Democrat that steps on the (expletive) lawn,” Chicago Heights resident Louis Capriotti allegedly said in a Dec. 29 voicemail left for a U.S. House member."

                    People not using their best judgment.

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                    • L LuFins Dad
                      14 Jan 2021, 04:20

                      @xenon said in What the hell were they thinking?:

                      @lufins-dad said in What the hell were they thinking?:

                      @xenon said in What the hell were they thinking?:

                      @lufins-dad said in What the hell were they thinking?:

                      @jon-nyc said in What the hell were they thinking?:

                      @lufins-dad

                      Why do you take the rally on the 6th as your t=0?

                      Why were they even there? How many of these clowns knew what the significance of Jan 6th was before November? Or even before Trump promoted it?
                      Why did 10s of millions absorb the stolen election memetic complex?
                      Why did the movement get so much oxygen in right wing media?
                      Why did Wood and Powell get so much attention?
                      How many 10s of millions of people did he promote Flynn’s tweets to?

                      Does any of that stand up to Brandenburg? That’s a decision for the courts. Not you, not me, and sure as hell not Nancy Pelosi. So let’s put it to them.

                      If you killed someone’s mother in front of them and the killer got killed in retaliation, that wouldn’t stand up to the Brandenburg test either.

                      WTF? I don’t even see the analogy you are shooting for?

                      Brandenburg is specifically the benchmark for incitement to violence by public speech.

                      You can get people riled up to the point of crime, without being criminally liable for riling them up.

                      So you’re saying Bernie is responsible for the gunman that attacked the congressional softball event? Good to know. And should we even talk about Obama’s “They bring a knife, then we bring a gun!”

                      The actual violent nutjobs were obviously not influenced by Trump’s words. If they were then they would have peacefully and patriotically made their voices heard.

                      What that has to do with answering one criminally violent and horrendous act with another violent and horrendous act escapes me.

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                      xenon
                      wrote on 14 Jan 2021, 04:39 last edited by xenon
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                      @lufins-dad said in What the hell were they thinking?:

                      @xenon said in What the hell were they thinking?:

                      @lufins-dad said in What the hell were they thinking?:

                      @xenon said in What the hell were they thinking?:

                      @lufins-dad said in What the hell were they thinking?:

                      @jon-nyc said in What the hell were they thinking?:

                      @lufins-dad

                      Why do you take the rally on the 6th as your t=0?

                      Why were they even there? How many of these clowns knew what the significance of Jan 6th was before November? Or even before Trump promoted it?
                      Why did 10s of millions absorb the stolen election memetic complex?
                      Why did the movement get so much oxygen in right wing media?
                      Why did Wood and Powell get so much attention?
                      How many 10s of millions of people did he promote Flynn’s tweets to?

                      Does any of that stand up to Brandenburg? That’s a decision for the courts. Not you, not me, and sure as hell not Nancy Pelosi. So let’s put it to them.

                      If you killed someone’s mother in front of them and the killer got killed in retaliation, that wouldn’t stand up to the Brandenburg test either.

                      WTF? I don’t even see the analogy you are shooting for?

                      Brandenburg is specifically the benchmark for incitement to violence by public speech.

                      You can get people riled up to the point of crime, without being criminally liable for riling them up.

                      So you’re saying Bernie is responsible for the gunman that attacked the congressional softball event? Good to know. And should we even talk about Obama’s “They bring a knife, then we bring a gun!”

                      The actual violent nutjobs were obviously not influenced by Trump’s words. If they were then they would have peacefully and patriotically made their voices heard.

                      What that has to do with answering one criminally violent and horrendous act with another violent and horrendous act escapes me.

                      I think we might have listened to the same Ben Shapiro podcast.

                      Bernie could have riled up the shooter by railing against Congressmen who cater to the rich (or something). But is it reasonable to expect or foresee that Bernie’s political positions lead to violence?

                      For Trump, he’s telling people he won a landslide election. Then that election was stolen. Then he was stonewalled by all the courts in the land. Is it reasonable to foresee that some people could resort to violence if they believe their democracy has literally been stolen and they have no representation?

                      EDIT: I dunno what the specific context on Obama”s quote is ( “They bring a knife, then we bring a gun!”) - but that just seems like prudent self-defense. 🙂

                      One more thought on Trump. Even if there were no violence by the mob, why is he sending them to the Capitol to pressure the Vice President to do something unconstitutional? He’s the principal defender of the constitution and we keep treating him with kid gloves for some reason.

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                      • L LuFins Dad
                        14 Jan 2021, 04:31

                        @jon-nyc said in What the hell were they thinking?:

                        @lufins-dad said in What the hell were they thinking?:

                        If it’s not criminal, then how can he be impeached for High Crime?

                        Because ‘high crimes and misdemeanors’ is a concept that goes back to the Middle Ages and doesn’t mean ‘a violation of federal statute’.

                        This is actually worse than the 2019 impeachment and is in fact weakening the impeachment power by Congress.

                        I think you will come to think otherwise in the fullness of time.

                        We’re talking crime and criminality... Pretty basic concept.

                        Unless an investigation shows Trump actually conspiring with QAnon, I doubt my opinion will change much.

                        I still stand by my original statement, I CAN see criminal charges being brought against Trump and would not personally mind... But I do doubt that he would be convicted.

                        But either way, a 2 hour speech fest by the House with no evidence, no investigation, no testimony? That’s a fvcking joke and always will be.

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                        jon-nyc
                        wrote on 14 Jan 2021, 04:49 last edited by
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                        @lufins-dad said in What the hell were they thinking?:

                        We’re talking crime and criminality... Pretty basic concept.

                        Are we? Seems like you’re floating back and forth between criminal prosecution and impeachment. Maybe you’re not not aware how different they are.

                        Only non-witches get due process.

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                            jon-nyc
                            wrote on 14 Jan 2021, 05:02 last edited by
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                            Some of these guys are going to learn the hard way why their grandfathers wore hoods.

                            Only non-witches get due process.

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                              jon-nyc
                              wrote on 14 Jan 2021, 05:02 last edited by
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                              Lol.

                              Only non-witches get due process.

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                                14 Jan 2021, 04:58

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                                wrote on 14 Jan 2021, 05:37 last edited by
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                                @kluurs said in What the hell were they thinking?:

                                59f8a8ce-9aa5-4d88-8472-2ab668084023-image.png

                                What is the three finger wave that a lot of people in the picture are doing?

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                                • T taiwan_girl
                                  14 Jan 2021, 05:37

                                  @kluurs said in What the hell were they thinking?:

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                                  What is the three finger wave that a lot of people in the picture are doing?

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                                  wrote on 14 Jan 2021, 05:47 last edited by
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                                  @taiwan_girl said in What the hell were they thinking?:

                                  What is the three finger wave that a lot of people in the picture are doing?

                                  Proud Boy shit.

                                  Please love yourself.

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                                      jon-nyc
                                      wrote on 14 Jan 2021, 10:05 last edited by
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                                      Jesus.

                                      Only non-witches get due process.

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                                      • T taiwan_girl
                                        14 Jan 2021, 05:37

                                        @kluurs said in What the hell were they thinking?:

                                        59f8a8ce-9aa5-4d88-8472-2ab668084023-image.png

                                        What is the three finger wave that a lot of people in the picture are doing?

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                                        wrote on 14 Jan 2021, 11:47 last edited by
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                                        @taiwan_girl said in What the hell were they thinking?:

                                        What is the three finger wave that a lot of people in the picture are doing?

                                        https://www.npr.org/2019/09/26/764728163/the-ok-hand-gesture-is-now-listed-as-a-symbol-of-hate

                                        I was only joking

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                                          14 Jan 2021, 10:05

                                          Jesus.

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                                          wrote on 14 Jan 2021, 11:54 last edited by
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                                          @jon-nyc said in What the hell were they thinking?:

                                          Jesus.

                                          TDS

                                          I was only joking

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