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  • L Loki
    13 Jan 2021, 22:17

    @aqua-letifer said in Impeach!:

    @loki said in Impeach!:

    partisanship

    Yes, everything against Trump is partisanship.

    5% is now being pumped all over the media as historic bipartisanship. Explain that to me please. Seriously.

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    Aqua Letifer
    wrote on 13 Jan 2021, 22:32 last edited by
    #97

    @loki said in Impeach!:

    5% is now being pumped all over the media as historic bipartisanship. Explain that to me please. Seriously.

    It is. Partisanship is a huge issue.

    My point was that a democrat voting for impeachment is not necessarily due to partisanship.

    Please love yourself.

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    • A Aqua Letifer
      13 Jan 2021, 22:32

      @loki said in Impeach!:

      5% is now being pumped all over the media as historic bipartisanship. Explain that to me please. Seriously.

      It is. Partisanship is a huge issue.

      My point was that a democrat voting for impeachment is not necessarily due to partisanship.

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      Loki
      wrote on 13 Jan 2021, 22:35 last edited by
      #98

      @aqua-letifer said in Impeach!:

      @loki said in Impeach!:

      5% is now being pumped all over the media as historic bipartisanship. Explain that to me please. Seriously.

      It is. Partisanship is a huge issue.

      My point was that a democrat voting for impeachment is not necessarily due to partisanship.

      I agree, I would have been much more supportive if not for the first impeachment.

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        Copper
        wrote on 13 Jan 2021, 22:36 last edited by
        #99

        @george-k said in Impeach!:

        temper tantrum

        Correct

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        • C Copper
          13 Jan 2021, 22:36

          @george-k said in Impeach!:

          temper tantrum

          Correct

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          George K
          wrote on 13 Jan 2021, 22:38 last edited by
          #100

          @copper said in Impeach!:

          @george-k said in Impeach!:

          temper tantrum

          Correct

          "They were talking about impeaching him before he was even sworn in, which tells you a lot about the seriousness of this stuff."

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • L Loki
            13 Jan 2021, 22:17

            @aqua-letifer said in Impeach!:

            @loki said in Impeach!:

            partisanship

            Yes, everything against Trump is partisanship.

            5% is now being pumped all over the media as historic bipartisanship. Explain that to me please. Seriously.

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            jon-nyc
            wrote on 13 Jan 2021, 22:42 last edited by jon-nyc
            #101

            @loki said in Impeach!:

            5% is now being pumped all over the media as historic bipartisanship. Explain that to me please. Seriously.

            Sure. None of the other impeachments got a single vote from the President’s party.

            "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
            -Cormac McCarthy

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            • G George K
              13 Jan 2021, 22:15

              I'm glad that the (2nd) greatest deliberative body in the world took two hours to discuss this!

              ETA: I'm not saying it was, or was not, justified. However, the rushed push for impeachment, with no discussion, no evidence, etc reeks of nothing but partisanship and hatred.

              What, other than preventing the unlikely possibility of him holding federal office again (and, c'mon, how likely was that?) what is the point of this exercise other than being a demonstration of a temper tantrum?

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              jon-nyc
              wrote on 13 Jan 2021, 22:45 last edited by
              #102

              @george-k said in Impeach!:

              However, the rushed push for impeachment, with no discussion, no evidence, etc reeks of nothing but partisanship and hatred.

              We all witnessed it. Every one of us.

              "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
              -Cormac McCarthy

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              • J jon-nyc
                13 Jan 2021, 22:42

                @loki said in Impeach!:

                5% is now being pumped all over the media as historic bipartisanship. Explain that to me please. Seriously.

                Sure. None of the other impeachments got a single vote from the President’s party.

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                Loki
                wrote on 13 Jan 2021, 22:45 last edited by
                #103

                @jon-nyc said in Impeach!:

                @loki said in Impeach!:

                5% is now being pumped all over the media as historic bipartisanship. Explain that to me please. Seriously.

                Sure. None of the other impeachments got a single vote from the President’s party.

                Okay. I was just thinking how much it would fail by in the Senate if the percentages held. Kind of like historic but set to fail big time in the Senate. That would be a complete sentence.

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                  jon-nyc
                  wrote on 13 Jan 2021, 22:46 last edited by jon-nyc
                  #104

                  Of the four impeachments we’ve had in our history, this is the only one that will age well.

                  "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                  -Cormac McCarthy

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                  • J jon-nyc
                    13 Jan 2021, 22:45

                    @george-k said in Impeach!:

                    However, the rushed push for impeachment, with no discussion, no evidence, etc reeks of nothing but partisanship and hatred.

                    We all witnessed it. Every one of us.

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                    George K
                    wrote on 13 Jan 2021, 22:48 last edited by
                    #105

                    @jon-nyc said in Impeach!:

                    @george-k said in Impeach!:

                    However, the rushed push for impeachment, with no discussion, no evidence, etc reeks of nothing but partisanship and hatred.

                    We all witnessed it. Every one of us.

                    And this is how you remove a president? No deliberation, no evidence, no discussion?

                    Just do it!

                    This is dangerous territory.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

                    J A 2 Replies Last reply 13 Jan 2021, 22:51
                    • G George K
                      13 Jan 2021, 22:48

                      @jon-nyc said in Impeach!:

                      @george-k said in Impeach!:

                      However, the rushed push for impeachment, with no discussion, no evidence, etc reeks of nothing but partisanship and hatred.

                      We all witnessed it. Every one of us.

                      And this is how you remove a president? No deliberation, no evidence, no discussion?

                      Just do it!

                      This is dangerous territory.

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                      jon-nyc
                      wrote on 13 Jan 2021, 22:51 last edited by
                      #106

                      @george-k Removal occurs or doesn’t, in the Senate. And there’s a trial.

                      This is an indictment in a sense. If the entire grand jury are among your victims, it won’t take long for them to agree to move forward with charges.

                      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                      -Cormac McCarthy

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                      • L Loki
                        13 Jan 2021, 22:35

                        @aqua-letifer said in Impeach!:

                        @loki said in Impeach!:

                        5% is now being pumped all over the media as historic bipartisanship. Explain that to me please. Seriously.

                        It is. Partisanship is a huge issue.

                        My point was that a democrat voting for impeachment is not necessarily due to partisanship.

                        I agree, I would have been much more supportive if not for the first impeachment.

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                        Aqua Letifer
                        wrote on 13 Jan 2021, 22:59 last edited by
                        #107

                        @loki said in Impeach!:

                        I agree, I would have been much more supportive if not for the first impeachment.

                        The first impeachment has nothing to do with the second. That's how the rule of law works.

                        Please love yourself.

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                        • G George K
                          13 Jan 2021, 22:48

                          @jon-nyc said in Impeach!:

                          @george-k said in Impeach!:

                          However, the rushed push for impeachment, with no discussion, no evidence, etc reeks of nothing but partisanship and hatred.

                          We all witnessed it. Every one of us.

                          And this is how you remove a president? No deliberation, no evidence, no discussion?

                          Just do it!

                          This is dangerous territory.

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                          Aqua Letifer
                          wrote on 13 Jan 2021, 23:00 last edited by Aqua Letifer
                          #108

                          @george-k said in Impeach!:

                          This is dangerous territory.

                          Like "coup attempt" dangerous?

                          Please love yourself.

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                            George K
                            wrote on 13 Jan 2021, 23:17 last edited by
                            #109

                            @aqua-letifer said in Impeach!:

                            @george-k said in Impeach!:

                            This is dangerous territory.

                            Like "coup attempt" dangerous?

                            Bill McGurn (WSJ): "If you throw a rock through a window, you have more consideration that what happened here. Impeachment has been cheapened, to the point that it becomes normal."

                            (paraphrasing)

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            • G George K
                              13 Jan 2021, 23:17

                              @aqua-letifer said in Impeach!:

                              @george-k said in Impeach!:

                              This is dangerous territory.

                              Like "coup attempt" dangerous?

                              Bill McGurn (WSJ): "If you throw a rock through a window, you have more consideration that what happened here. Impeachment has been cheapened, to the point that it becomes normal."

                              (paraphrasing)

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                              Aqua Letifer
                              wrote on 13 Jan 2021, 23:23 last edited by
                              #110

                              @george-k said in Impeach!:

                              Bill McGurn (WSJ): "If you throw a rock through a window, you have more consideration that what happened here. Impeachment has been cheapened, to the point that it becomes normal."
                              (paraphrasing)

                              I agree about the first impeachment, not the second.

                              A rock wasn't thrown through the Capitol window. A mob was shouting to hang Mike Pence. They tried to trample cops to death. They brought homemade napalm and molotov cocktails to the nation's capital. Pipe bombs were planted at DNC and RNC. They came and did these things because Trump egged them on. He said he loved these people.

                              Please love yourself.

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                              • A Aqua Letifer
                                13 Jan 2021, 23:23

                                @george-k said in Impeach!:

                                Bill McGurn (WSJ): "If you throw a rock through a window, you have more consideration that what happened here. Impeachment has been cheapened, to the point that it becomes normal."
                                (paraphrasing)

                                I agree about the first impeachment, not the second.

                                A rock wasn't thrown through the Capitol window. A mob was shouting to hang Mike Pence. They tried to trample cops to death. They brought homemade napalm and molotov cocktails to the nation's capital. Pipe bombs were planted at DNC and RNC. They came and did these things because Trump egged them on. He said he loved these people.

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                                George K
                                wrote on 13 Jan 2021, 23:26 last edited by
                                #111

                                @aqua-letifer said in Impeach!:

                                They came and did these things because Trump egged them on. He said he loved these people.

                                See, that's sort of my point. From a purely legal standpoint, that's pretty thin gruel. He never said, "you should do this," and that's the legal standard for inciting violence.

                                But, we're talking political, not legal, and that's my point. Anyone can, and will, mark my words, drum up an exta-legal, political reason to impeach a president.

                                Again, other than the symbolism, what's the point? What will be accomplished other than a (cheap) moral victory? At what cost to political behavior going forward?

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                • G George K
                                  13 Jan 2021, 23:26

                                  @aqua-letifer said in Impeach!:

                                  They came and did these things because Trump egged them on. He said he loved these people.

                                  See, that's sort of my point. From a purely legal standpoint, that's pretty thin gruel. He never said, "you should do this," and that's the legal standard for inciting violence.

                                  But, we're talking political, not legal, and that's my point. Anyone can, and will, mark my words, drum up an exta-legal, political reason to impeach a president.

                                  Again, other than the symbolism, what's the point? What will be accomplished other than a (cheap) moral victory? At what cost to political behavior going forward?

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                                  Aqua Letifer
                                  wrote on 13 Jan 2021, 23:30 last edited by
                                  #112

                                  @george-k said in Impeach!:

                                  Again, other than the symbolism, what's the point?

                                  They went easy on Hitler after his attempt to flip the government and look what happened.

                                  Please love yourself.

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                                    Copper
                                    wrote on 13 Jan 2021, 23:33 last edited by
                                    #113

                                    This isn't Hitler.

                                    And he condemned the violence immediately when it happened.

                                    Many people seem to have worked themselves into such a frenzy they think he actually asked the mob to do what they did.

                                    He didn't.

                                    In fact he condemned it.

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                                    • A Aqua Letifer
                                      13 Jan 2021, 23:30

                                      @george-k said in Impeach!:

                                      Again, other than the symbolism, what's the point?

                                      They went easy on Hitler after his attempt to flip the government and look what happened.

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                                      George K
                                      wrote on 13 Jan 2021, 23:37 last edited by
                                      #114

                                      @aqua-letifer said in Impeach!:

                                      @george-k said in Impeach!:

                                      Again, other than the symbolism, what's the point?

                                      They went easy on Hitler after his attempt to flip the government and look what happened.

                                      And Trump is no longer president in 7 days. Who's going easy on him?

                                      I really don't see your point. Are you suggesting that he will take the presidency in the future?

                                      And you went full Godwin. Never go full Godwin.

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      • C Copper
                                        13 Jan 2021, 23:33

                                        This isn't Hitler.

                                        And he condemned the violence immediately when it happened.

                                        Many people seem to have worked themselves into such a frenzy they think he actually asked the mob to do what they did.

                                        He didn't.

                                        In fact he condemned it.

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                                        Doctor Phibes
                                        wrote on 13 Jan 2021, 23:38 last edited by
                                        #115

                                        @copper said in Impeach!:

                                        This isn't Hitler.

                                        Hitler actually took part in the march, rather than telling the rabble he was going to do so, and then fucking off home to watch it on TV.

                                        I was only joking

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                                          Doctor Phibes
                                          wrote on 13 Jan 2021, 23:41 last edited by
                                          #116

                                          Incidentally, they didn't go easy on Hitler. They put him in jail.

                                          I was only joking

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