Impeach!
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If you are 100% sure there was election stealing and you’ve exhausted every legal avenue, and you’re being stonewalled- an armed insurrection makes sense. What else do you do at that point?
The POTUS - who has the ability to get the best information says the election was 100% stolen.Strawman. I didn't bring up his complaints about a stolen election. You did.
What incitement to riot did he utter? I'm being very, very specific here. He's said a lot of bad things, a lot of inaccurate things, but unless you can show that he actually incited a riot, or a crime, then there's nothing.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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What incitement to riot did he utter? I'm being very, very specific here. He's said a lot of bad things, a lot of inaccurate things, but unless you can show that he actually incited a riot, or a crime, then there's nothing.
George, do you believe impeachment shouldn't happen at all? That no one should even investigate the allegations? I read the Althouse stuff, btw.
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If you are 100% sure there was election stealing and you’ve exhausted every legal avenue, and you’re being stonewalled- an armed insurrection makes sense. What else do you do at that point?
The POTUS - who has the ability to get the best information says the election was 100% stolen.Strawman. I didn't bring up his complaints about a stolen election. You did.
What incitement to riot did he utter? I'm being very, very specific here. He's said a lot of bad things, a lot of inaccurate things, but unless you can show that he actually incited a riot, or a crime, then there's nothing.
“Let’s have trial by content” from a guy sharing his stage.
Also - if you believe his chain of logic, I’m saying I’d personally believe an armed insurrection is warranted. FWIW. You’re right that wasn’t your direct question, but I’m saying it’s a reasonable reaction to the situation the President was painting. (That likely wouldn’t hold up as criminal responsibility- but we can make our political judgements about it.)
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“Let’s have trial by content” from a guy sharing his stage.
See my comment about guilt by association.
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George, do you believe impeachment shouldn't happen at all? That no one should even investigate the allegations?
I think it's a waste of time and money for an issue that is moot. Investigate away. Have at it. What do you think the result will be? What do you think it will accomplish other than political points?
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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Bullshit.
You can be prosecuted/impeached because of something that someone you associate with said?
Is that your point?Let’s take this example to its extreme. If Guiliani says “you go mess up that Capitol. Go after senators. Etc. etc.”
And Trump goes on stage right after and says nothing about it. No culpability?
Also - the line for acceptable conduct by a President should not be criminality. So prosecution is different than impeachment. Impeachment is a lot fuzzier.
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Impeachment is 100% appropriate. But for him, Wednesday would not have happened.
The moral hazard problem is real.
We must impose real costs on Hawley and Cruz. We can’t be doing this every 4 years.
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"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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If you are 100% sure there was election stealing and you’ve exhausted every legal avenue, and you’re being stonewalled- an armed insurrection makes sense. What else do you do at that point?
The POTUS - who has the ability to get the best information says the election was 100% stolen.
There’s essentially no more representation at that point.
Lad, if that would have been an armed insurrection, you'd have dead bodies littering the grounds of the Capitol.
Those protesters weren't armed and you know it.
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We can’t be doing this every 4 years.
You can count on this happening, regardless of which tribe is in power. The precedent is set.
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Enjoy
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Seems like we all should be saying “enjoy” to those that put him in office.
At any rate the only chance this doesn’t become the new normal is if we impose actual costs.
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As I said there needs to be a downside to attempting to overturn elections besides “prolly won’t work”, otherwise we’ll see this every time.
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We can’t be doing this every 4 years.
You can count on this happening, regardless of which tribe is in power. The precedent is set.
[@Jolly]
Enjoy
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Seems like we all should be saying “enjoy” to those that put him in office.
At any rate the only chance this doesn’t become the new normal is if we impose actual costs.
Bork.
Always remember, Operation Valkyrie was an act of sedition.
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Sorry this isn’t about chains of partisan grievances. We will always have those. It’s the assault on democracy itself that we must punish.
And we are.
Enjoy.
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Sorry this isn’t about chains of partisan grievances. We will always have those. It’s the assault on democracy itself that we must punish.
And we are.
Enjoy.
Let's hope it's not your son we have to pull out if a pool of blood in a muddy field.
That's the end result of the road you seem so hell-bent on traveling.
Always remember, Operation Valkyrie was an act of sedition.
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As I said there needs to be a downside to attempting to overturn elections besides “prolly won’t work”, otherwise we’ll see this every time.
I see nothing wrong here
He tried to change the results. Why not?
He didn't change them.
Assuming the results are valid, the system worked just fine.
I don't see a problem.
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Our choices:
1 Have it be such that there’s no cost in trying to overturn elections
2 Alienate Trump’s base
1 is the lesser of two evils, though they are indeed both evils. Again, this is an iterative game. If the new norm is “test the seams of democratic institutions if you lose” then we won’t have a republic to save before long. And not too long either.
DON’T let them eat cake.
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What do you think the result will be?
I honestly don't know.
What do you think it will accomplish other than political points?
Maybe after the completely uncalled-for and politically motivated investigation, Trump will claim that "history will tear to tatters the verdict of this court."
Maybe he'll leverage his poor and overly harsh treatment by the hypocritical, power-hungry and autocratic democrats, using his impeachment as proof of a failed system that should be completely dismantled.
Maybe he'll glorify the four dead and use the sensationalism of their deaths to get sympathizers elected. Maybe he'll start with the police captains. Everyone knows Trump has always supported the police and the left hates them all. It's so for-sure we don't even have to talk about that.
If we reversed the completely biased decision by social media companies to silence an innocent man based on toxic leftist politics, he wouldn't even have to fly around the country to help more Trumpists either rise to power or take more completely harmless tours of state houses come election time. All he would need would be his phone.
And maybe a shitload of people in the middle would all sort of just go along with it because everything I just said is so obviously TDS.
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As I said there needs to be a downside to attempting to overturn elections besides “prolly won’t work”, otherwise we’ll see this every time.
I see nothing wrong here
He tried to change the results. Why not?
He didn't change them.
Assuming the results are valid, the system worked just fine.
I don't see a problem.
And that's the Truth. Every legal avenue was fought, inch by inch.
I guess now, when people fight an issue out in court or try to apply political pressure, they need to be canceled.
That is a very dangerous precedent, worthy of banana republics.
