How about Trump's civil liability for the damage and loss of life?
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wrote on 9 Jan 2021, 13:11 last edited by
Sorry George. There is no comparable figure in any of the other riots. At least not notable figures. They were more Hayekian.
This one had an architect.
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@axtremus said in How about Trump's civil liability for the damage and loss of life?:
Link to videoIt’s not about presiding over a period of loss, but about inciting violence that then caused the loss.
wrote on 9 Jan 2021, 13:12 last edited by@george-k said in How about Trump's civil liability for the damage and loss of life?:
@axtremus said in How about Trump's civil liability for the damage and loss of life?:
Link to videoIt’s not about presiding over a period of loss, but about inciting violence that then caused the loss.
Great, now you just need to prove (or at least show) causation by specific speeches (“incitement’s”) to specific losses, just like whoever wants to sue Trump over the Capitol riot has to do in court.
Let them take all the evidence and arguments to the courts, let the courts sort them out.
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wrote on 9 Jan 2021, 13:13 last edited by
I wonder if that was behind his lying in the first 20s of his last video statement.
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Sorry George. There is no comparable figure in any of the other riots. At least not notable figures. They were more Hayekian.
This one had an architect.
wrote on 9 Jan 2021, 13:13 last edited by@jon-nyc said in How about Trump's civil liability for the damage and loss of life?:
Sorry George. There is no comparable figure in any of the other riots. At least not notable figures. They were more Hayekian.
This one had an architect.
Sez you.
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@george-k said in How about Trump's civil liability for the damage and loss of life?:
Talk to Mayor Ted Wheeler about that.
Talk to Governor Kate Brown
Talk to Governor Jay Inslee
And, most relevant, talk to FutureVicePresidentElectHarris.All of them did nothing to stop the damage and loss, in the millions of their cities. All of them presided over the loss of life in their cities.
And Future
VicePresidentElectHarris encouraged it.It’s not about presiding over a period of loss, but about inciting violence that then caused the loss.
wrote on 9 Jan 2021, 13:24 last edited by@axtremus said in How about Trump's civil liability for the damage and loss of life?:
@george-k said in How about Trump's civil liability for the damage and loss of life?:
Talk to Mayor Ted Wheeler about that.
Talk to Governor Kate Brown
Talk to Governor Jay Inslee
And, most relevant, talk to FutureVicePresidentElectHarris.All of them did nothing to stop the damage and loss, in the millions of their cities. All of them presided over the loss of life in their cities.
And Future
VicePresidentElectHarris encouraged it.It’s not about presiding over a period of loss, but about inciting violence that then caused the loss.
It is about the hate.
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wrote on 9 Jan 2021, 13:28 last edited by
George's Althouse thread does a good job addressing this.
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wrote on 9 Jan 2021, 13:33 last edited by
I'd say Jon is not on board with the unite America thing.
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@jon-nyc said in How about Trump's civil liability for the damage and loss of life?:
Sorry George. There is no comparable figure in any of the other riots. At least not notable figures. They were more Hayekian.
This one had an architect.
Sez you.
wrote on 9 Jan 2021, 13:33 last edited by@jolly said in How about Trump's civil liability for the damage and loss of life?:
Sez you.
In any of the riots in the summer, is there a single person you can point about whom it could be said “but for his actions this wouldn’t have happened”.
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wrote on 9 Jan 2021, 13:35 last edited by
@mik said in How about Trump's civil liability for the damage and loss of life?:
I'd say Jon is not on board with the unite America thing.
This wouldn’t be something society would do, it would individuals and families harmed as a result of his actions.
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@george-k said in How about Trump's civil liability for the damage and loss of life?:
@axtremus said in How about Trump's civil liability for the damage and loss of life?:
Link to videoIt’s not about presiding over a period of loss, but about inciting violence that then caused the loss.
Great, now you just need to prove (or at least show) causation by specific speeches (“incitement’s”) to specific losses, just like whoever wants to sue Trump over the Capitol riot has to do in court.
Let them take all the evidence and arguments to the courts, let the courts sort them out.
wrote on 9 Jan 2021, 13:37 last edited by George K 1 Sept 2021, 13:37@axtremus said in How about Trump's civil liability for the damage and loss of life?:
Great, now you just need to prove (or at least show) causation by specific speeches (“incitement’s”) to specific losses, just like whoever wants to sue Trump over the Capitol riot has to do in court.
The fact that all the violence that was wreaked on our cities this summer was encouraged by the media and politicians like Soon-to-be-president Harris doesn't strike you as a bit problematic?
Ted Wheeler of Portland encouraged the Antifa violence, trying to join the protest, until he was attacked.
AOC "occupied" Speaker Pelosi's office with a gaggle of protestors. That was cool then, right? Why wasn't she arrested?
And now, you're upset?
That doesn't smack of ignorance, it smacks of hypocrisy.
Jon's argument that it's POTUS is simply a matter of
pricedegree. I just cited two elected officials who encouraged breaking the law, and earlier Harris's explicit call for more violence.I'm not justifying, by any means, what happened in the Capitol. I'm surprised at the outrage, because it was the other tribe.
No, actually, I'm not.
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wrote on 9 Jan 2021, 13:42 last edited by
@jolly said in How about Trump's civil liability for the damage and loss of life?:
George's Althouse thread does a good job addressing this.
Nope. That’s about criminal liability. A much higher bar.
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@jolly said in How about Trump's civil liability for the damage and loss of life?:
George's Althouse thread does a good job addressing this.
Nope. That’s about criminal liability. A much higher bar.
wrote on 9 Jan 2021, 13:44 last edited by@jon-nyc said in How about Trump's civil liability for the damage and loss of life?:
Nope. That’s about criminal liability. A much higher bar.
Good point.
Now, how about Wheeler, et al?
Who has standing to sue?
"Standing" seems to be the, ahem, standard by which cases can be brought to court.
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wrote on 9 Jan 2021, 13:57 last edited by
The families of the deceased.
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@jolly said in How about Trump's civil liability for the damage and loss of life?:
Sez you.
In any of the riots in the summer, is there a single person you can point about whom it could be said “but for his actions this wouldn’t have happened”.
wrote on 9 Jan 2021, 15:13 last edited by@jon-nyc said in How about Trump's civil liability for the damage and loss of life?:
@jolly said in How about Trump's civil liability for the damage and loss of life?:
Sez you.
In any of the riots in the summer, is there a single person you can point about whom it could be said “but for his actions this wouldn’t have happened”.
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Lower bar than criminal. I think we'll see some civil suits from a few of the families of people killed as a direct result of his stunt.
wrote on 9 Jan 2021, 16:36 last edited byAnybody can try to sue for just about any reason.
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wrote on 9 Jan 2021, 17:05 last edited by
I am confident that the Office of POTUS carries sufficient E&O insurance to cover civil liability claims of this nature.