"When they go low, we go low as well."

[Aqua Letifer]

People have been complaining for years now that the sitting president has eroded the level of political discourse in America. And it wasn't just deaf ears. His vitriol is precisely what got him elected. Many people on this very board cheered this shit on or went oddly silent. Four years of that.

It should come as absolutely no surprise when the next guy follows suit. Against someone who encouraged a crowd to goddamn invade the Capitol building.

[George K]

@aqua-letifer said in "When they go low, we go low as well.":

It should come as absolutely no surprise when the next guy follows suit.

And this, exactly, is what some are saying about the debacle at the Capitol Building.

[Horace]

I don't think his "vitriol" appealed. His willingness to take a stand against the leftist tide of cultural ideas definitely appealed to me, but no vitriol was ever necessary for that. He's a sore loser and now some fringe Trump supporters did a terrible mob riot that turned violent, at the capitol. It doesn't invalidate everything about his presidency.

[jon-nyc]

@george-k said in "When they go low, we go low as well.":

You're just as classless as the man you accused of being a "clown," the one whom you told, during a debate to "shut-up."

No daylight at all. Maybe separated at birth.

[Aqua Letifer]

@george-k said in "When they go low, we go low as well.":

@aqua-letifer said in "When they go low, we go low as well.":

It should come as absolutely no surprise when the next guy follows suit.

And this, exactly, is what some are saying about the debacle at the Capitol Building.

I think trying to stop the steal electoral process is a slightly bigger deal than Joe Biden calling Trump out for being the shitbag he so obviously is.

Whataboutism is really helping the country, isn't it!

I'll start paying attention when one side actually tries to shift the narrative to what their own shortcomings are. Until then I don't much care who they think is more or less virtuous, it's nonsense.

[George K]

@horace said in "When they go low, we go low as well.":

It doesn't invalidate everything about his presidency.

No, it doesn't. By some standards, it would be considered successful, as @Mik has pointed out. The man's a boor, a horrible, horrible person. Yet, no one can look past that. As Reagan said, "Are you better off than you were four years ago?" Many polls have said the answer is "yes."

This event is an indelible stain that will haunt his legacy for a long long time. It also gives ammunition to the people who can't stand him, just on the basis of his неккультурный personality (which is yuge).

[Renauda]

@horace said in "When they go low, we go low as well.":

I don't think his "vitriol" appealed

True, but such vitriol, I am sure, was occasional rather than the norm.

[Mik]

Well, at the very least this answers the question of whether he will run in 24.

[George K]

@mik said in "When they go low, we go low as well.":

Well, at the very least this answers the question of whether he will run in survive to 24.

FIFY

[George K]

Biden goes full Godwin.

"Nothing brings about unity like comparing people to Nazis."

[Doctor Phibes]

Biden hasn't been anywhere near as crass as Trump, at least from what I've seen.

Regarding this week, as far as I'm concerned it confirms what I've said about him all along.

Yeah, yeah, I know, TDS. The problem is all with me. I can't see his positive side because I'm so deranged by the fact that he's such a twat.

[Jolly]

@doctor-phibes said in "When they go low, we go low as well.":

Biden hasn't been anywhere near as crass as Trump, at least from what I've seen.

Regarding this week, as far as I'm concerned it confirms what I've said about him all along.

Yeah, yeah, I know, TDS. The problem is all with me. I can't see his positive side because I'm so deranged by the fact that he's such a twat.

Yep. And I still think Biden's policies will be much worse for the country than Trump's.

[George K]

@doctor-phibes said in "When they go low, we go low as well.":

Biden hasn't been anywhere near as crass as Trump, at least from what I've seen.

So we're arguing about price?

"Anywhere near as crass" is still crass.

It's a poor justification for his statements. And today, as I said in another thread, he went full Godwin.

Never go full Godwin.

[Mik]

@jolly said in "When they go low, we go low as well.":

@doctor-phibes said in "When they go low, we go low as well.":

Biden hasn't been anywhere near as crass as Trump, at least from what I've seen.

Regarding this week, as far as I'm concerned it confirms what I've said about him all along.

Yeah, yeah, I know, TDS. The problem is all with me. I can't see his positive side because I'm so deranged by the fact that he's such a twat.

Yep. And I still think Biden's policies will be much worse for the country than Trump's.

Does he really have policies, or just sops?

[Doctor Phibes]

I've always said that Biden was a poor choice for President.

Complaining about his lack of class and grace after 4 years of what we've just had is a joke.

I'm much more concerned about his inability to stand up to the left of the party and have the mental acuity to make difficult decisions.

However, Biden would never have been President if the GOP had run a decent candidate, just as Trump would never have made if the Dems had found somebody better than Hillary.

[Jolly]

@doctor-phibes said in "When they go low, we go low as well.":

I've always said that Biden was a poor choice for President.

Complaining about his lack of class and grace after 4 years of what we've just had is a joke.

I'm much more concerned about his inability to stand up to the left of the party and have the mental acuity to make difficult decisions.

However, Biden would never have been President if the GOP had run a decent candidate, just as Trump would never have made if the Dems had found somebody better than Hillary.

The primary process is what it is. And if you pay attention, the Dem process is rigged.

[Doctor Phibes]

Clearly it was rigged when Hillary was selected, anybody could see that.

Maybe we should worry less about the largely non-existent fraud in the general election, and try and fix how the parties operate prior to that.

[Jolly]

@doctor-phibes said in "When they go low, we go low as well.":

Clearly it was rigged when Hillary was selected, anybody could see that.

Maybe we should worry less about the largely non-existent fraud in the general election, and try and fix how the parties operate prior to that.

The public has no say in internal Party policies.

[Doctor Phibes]

@jolly said in "When they go low, we go low as well.":

@doctor-phibes said in "When they go low, we go low as well.":

Clearly it was rigged when Hillary was selected, anybody could see that.

Maybe we should worry less about the largely non-existent fraud in the general election, and try and fix how the parties operate prior to that.

The public has no say in internal Party policies.

You can always tighten up the rules governing how parties operate.

[Doctor Phibes]

C'mon, guys, Americans put a man on the moon, surely they can do something about their politics.

Admittedly, they had the help of a former Nazi, but still....