I got yer insurrection right here
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https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/08/pelosi-trump-take-away-nuclear-codes-456529
"This morning, I spoke to the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley to discuss available precautions for preventing an unstable president from initiating military hostilities or accessing the launch codes and ordering a nuclear strike," Pelosi said in the letter.
"The situation of this unhinged President could not be more dangerous, and we must do everything that we can to protect the American people from his unbalanced assault on our country and our democracy," she added.Milley's spokesperson, Col. Dave Butler, said Pelosi initiated the call with the chairman. "He answered her questions regarding the process of nuclear command authority.”
Congressional Democrats, and some Republicans, are seeking Trump's removal from office — either through action by Vice President Mike Pence and the Cabinet or by the congressional impeachment process — after the commander in chief incited his supporters to breach the U.S. Capitol.
The riot led to lawmakers being evacuated, delayed the official certification of President-elect Joe Biden's victory over Trump and resulted in five deaths, including a Capitol Police officer.
Trump's removal by the 25th Amendment is a long shot, with two Cabinet secretaries tendering their resignations following the violence at the Capitol. Democrats are instead readying to act to impeach Trump next week.
@george-k said in I got yer insurrection right here:
"This morning, I spoke to the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley to discuss available precautions for preventing an unstable president from initiating military hostilities or accessing the launch codes and ordering a nuclear strike," Pelosi said in the letter.
You can always count on Pelosi to take advantage of a situation. This sort of shit doesn't help.
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The thing is, there are plenty of legitimate concerns to focus on. There's no need for "well he did X so let's say he's also a credible threat for everything we can think of."
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The thing is, there are plenty of legitimate concerns to focus on. There's no need for "well he did X so let's say he's also a credible threat for everything we can think of."
@aqua-letifer exactly. She's grandstanding. You'd think the third most powerful person in government would know that that's not how it works. POTUS doesn't open the football and push a big red button.
Yeah, the process is streamlined, but later in the article:
Gen. John Hyten, now the nation's No. 2 military officer, told an audience at a military forum in 2017 that leaders would not obey an illegal order.
“And if it’s illegal, guess what’s going to happen? I’m going to say, ‘Mr. President, that’s illegal.’ And guess what he’s going to do? He’s going to say, ‘What would be legal?’ And we’ll come up with options, of a mix of capabilities to respond to whatever the situation is, and that’s the way it works. It’s not that complicated.”
Retired Gen. Colin Powell, a former Joint Chiefs chairman, cautioned on Friday against bringing the nuclear codes into the discussion on Trump and his final days, insisting that the concerns about a madman left to his own devices with the launch codes is simply not the way it works.
"We've seen him do some crazy things, but let's not start dragging out things like nuclear codes," he said on NBC's "Today" show. "I was the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and I can tell you for sure that if something like this ever happened and someone suddenly said, 'We want to use a nuclear weapon,' they would never get near it."
But the official also agreed it signals a lack of understanding about how the nuclear arsenal is managed and under what conditions it would or could be used in the absence of a direct threat to the United States from abroad.
“The way the nuclear arsenal is employed it is not that easy for a crazy president to go and launch nukes,” the official said. “That’s kind of a silly thing to say.”
Nonetheless, such worries are not new. “They said the same things about Ronald Reagan if you go back and look in the New York Times during the 1980 campaign,” the official said. “They were saying almost the same exact things.”
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@aqua-letifer exactly. She's grandstanding. You'd think the third most powerful person in government would know that that's not how it works. POTUS doesn't open the football and push a big red button.
Yeah, the process is streamlined, but later in the article:
Gen. John Hyten, now the nation's No. 2 military officer, told an audience at a military forum in 2017 that leaders would not obey an illegal order.
“And if it’s illegal, guess what’s going to happen? I’m going to say, ‘Mr. President, that’s illegal.’ And guess what he’s going to do? He’s going to say, ‘What would be legal?’ And we’ll come up with options, of a mix of capabilities to respond to whatever the situation is, and that’s the way it works. It’s not that complicated.”
Retired Gen. Colin Powell, a former Joint Chiefs chairman, cautioned on Friday against bringing the nuclear codes into the discussion on Trump and his final days, insisting that the concerns about a madman left to his own devices with the launch codes is simply not the way it works.
"We've seen him do some crazy things, but let's not start dragging out things like nuclear codes," he said on NBC's "Today" show. "I was the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and I can tell you for sure that if something like this ever happened and someone suddenly said, 'We want to use a nuclear weapon,' they would never get near it."
But the official also agreed it signals a lack of understanding about how the nuclear arsenal is managed and under what conditions it would or could be used in the absence of a direct threat to the United States from abroad.
“The way the nuclear arsenal is employed it is not that easy for a crazy president to go and launch nukes,” the official said. “That’s kind of a silly thing to say.”
Nonetheless, such worries are not new. “They said the same things about Ronald Reagan if you go back and look in the New York Times during the 1980 campaign,” the official said. “They were saying almost the same exact things.”
@george-k said in I got yer insurrection right here:
leaders would not obey an illegal order.
What makes anyone believe that the military would just simply get behind a crazy-ass President who would ask for their assistance in staging a coup?
Folks who don't know anyone in the military is my guess.
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@aqua-letifer exactly. She's grandstanding. You'd think the third most powerful person in government would know that that's not how it works. POTUS doesn't open the football and push a big red button.
Yeah, the process is streamlined, but later in the article:
Gen. John Hyten, now the nation's No. 2 military officer, told an audience at a military forum in 2017 that leaders would not obey an illegal order.
“And if it’s illegal, guess what’s going to happen? I’m going to say, ‘Mr. President, that’s illegal.’ And guess what he’s going to do? He’s going to say, ‘What would be legal?’ And we’ll come up with options, of a mix of capabilities to respond to whatever the situation is, and that’s the way it works. It’s not that complicated.”
Retired Gen. Colin Powell, a former Joint Chiefs chairman, cautioned on Friday against bringing the nuclear codes into the discussion on Trump and his final days, insisting that the concerns about a madman left to his own devices with the launch codes is simply not the way it works.
"We've seen him do some crazy things, but let's not start dragging out things like nuclear codes," he said on NBC's "Today" show. "I was the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and I can tell you for sure that if something like this ever happened and someone suddenly said, 'We want to use a nuclear weapon,' they would never get near it."
But the official also agreed it signals a lack of understanding about how the nuclear arsenal is managed and under what conditions it would or could be used in the absence of a direct threat to the United States from abroad.
“The way the nuclear arsenal is employed it is not that easy for a crazy president to go and launch nukes,” the official said. “That’s kind of a silly thing to say.”
Nonetheless, such worries are not new. “They said the same things about Ronald Reagan if you go back and look in the New York Times during the 1980 campaign,” the official said. “They were saying almost the same exact things.”
@george-k said in I got yer insurrection right here:
"I was the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and I can tell you for sure that if something like this ever happened and someone suddenly said, 'We want to use a nuclear weapon,' they would never get near it."
Thank you, Gen. Powell.
I don't have a problem with Pelosi going to the Joint Chiefs. I do have a problem with her shooting her mouth off about it -- as I gather many others in this thread have. As a citizen I don't need to know about the handling of the nuclear codes; why would I?
Though it would not surprise me if some sort of sub rosa plan to address Trump accessing the nukes were set in place early on -- and then not telling freaking motormouth Pelosi about it.
Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka
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I share @jon-nyc and @Catseye3's sentiment in that I have no problem with Pelosi talking to the Joint Chiefs about this, but it should not be something one proactively tells the world about.
Keep official records, yes, just record it like any other conversion that a House Speaker has with the Joint Chiefs. But should not have been a public announcement.
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@aqua-letifer exactly. She's grandstanding. You'd think the third most powerful person in government would know that that's not how it works. POTUS doesn't open the football and push a big red button.
Yeah, the process is streamlined, but later in the article:
Gen. John Hyten, now the nation's No. 2 military officer, told an audience at a military forum in 2017 that leaders would not obey an illegal order.
“And if it’s illegal, guess what’s going to happen? I’m going to say, ‘Mr. President, that’s illegal.’ And guess what he’s going to do? He’s going to say, ‘What would be legal?’ And we’ll come up with options, of a mix of capabilities to respond to whatever the situation is, and that’s the way it works. It’s not that complicated.”
Retired Gen. Colin Powell, a former Joint Chiefs chairman, cautioned on Friday against bringing the nuclear codes into the discussion on Trump and his final days, insisting that the concerns about a madman left to his own devices with the launch codes is simply not the way it works.
"We've seen him do some crazy things, but let's not start dragging out things like nuclear codes," he said on NBC's "Today" show. "I was the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and I can tell you for sure that if something like this ever happened and someone suddenly said, 'We want to use a nuclear weapon,' they would never get near it."
But the official also agreed it signals a lack of understanding about how the nuclear arsenal is managed and under what conditions it would or could be used in the absence of a direct threat to the United States from abroad.
“The way the nuclear arsenal is employed it is not that easy for a crazy president to go and launch nukes,” the official said. “That’s kind of a silly thing to say.”
Nonetheless, such worries are not new. “They said the same things about Ronald Reagan if you go back and look in the New York Times during the 1980 campaign,” the official said. “They were saying almost the same exact things.”
@george-k said in I got yer insurrection right here:
She's grandstanding.
Absolutely. Like I said yesterday, Pence and the rest of the cabinet have put the POTUS on a very short leash until the inauguration on the 20th. Would not be surprised if that also included a choke chain collar on the end of the leash just to keep him compliant.
Now Heel!
Elbows up!
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@george-k said in I got yer insurrection right here:
"I was the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and I can tell you for sure that if something like this ever happened and someone suddenly said, 'We want to use a nuclear weapon,' they would never get near it."
Thank you, Gen. Powell.
I don't have a problem with Pelosi going to the Joint Chiefs. I do have a problem with her shooting her mouth off about it -- as I gather many others in this thread have. As a citizen I don't need to know about the handling of the nuclear codes; why would I?
Though it would not surprise me if some sort of sub rosa plan to address Trump accessing the nukes were set in place early on -- and then not telling freaking motormouth Pelosi about it.
@catseye3 said in I got yer insurrection right here:
"I was the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and I can tell you for sure that if something like this ever happened and someone suddenly said, 'We want to use a nuclear weapon,' they would never get near it."
AIDE: How was your trip to North Korea, Mr. President?
TRUMP: That little smartmouth greaseball loser! Gimme a bomb! Give it to me RIGHT NOW!
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@george-k said in I got yer insurrection right here:
She's grandstanding.
Absolutely. Like I said yesterday, Pence and the rest of the cabinet have put the POTUS on a very short leash until the inauguration on the 20th. Would not be surprised if that also included a choke chain collar on the end of the leash just to keep him compliant.
Now Heel!
@renauda said in I got yer insurrection right here:
Would not be surprised if that also included a choke chain collar on the end of the leash just to keep him compliant.
I think it was Loki, who after the first presidential debate commented that the next debate should have shock collars on both candidates.
