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  • HoraceH Horace

    On the other hand, when I respond to mindless hatred, I'm happy to just call the TDS for what it is, and move on. But you haven't even acknowledged there is such a thing as TDS. You'll claim that conversation is meaningless in that definitions are not agreed upon, while happily giggling at "Deranged Magat Syndrome" sufferers all day. Or sometimes "resident crazy uncle", or, in the past, as you've dismissed me, those who've fallen down the rabbit hole of mindless tribalism - a claim you made because of the gestalt of your impressions of my posts, rather than any details about specific opinions. Such details and specifics are now what you request of me, and my gestalt impression of TDS sufferers. I would say "fair enough", but it's really not. You have a knack for condescension and elitism, and again if you don't see that about yourself, you are one of the few.

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    @horace said in Does he really believe it?:

    On the other hand, when I respond to mindless hatred, I'm happy to just call the TDS for what it is, and move on. But you haven't even acknowledged there is such a thing as TDS. You'll claim that conversation is meaningless in that definitions are not agreed upon, while happily giggling at "Deranged Magat Syndrome" sufferers all day. Or sometimes "resident crazy uncle", or, in the past, as you've dismissed me, those who've fallen down the rabbit hole of mindless tribalism - a claim you made because of the gestalt of your impressions of my posts, rather than any details about specific opinions. Such details and specifics are now what you request of me, and my gestalt impression of TDS sufferers. I would say "fair enough", but it's really not. You have a knack for condescension and elitism, and again if you don't see that about yourself, you are one of the few.

    Actually Jon of late presents us with these trolley problems where we are supposed to see imaginary lives on one of the tracks. It’s a thought experiment within a thought experiment.

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      @horace said in Does he really believe it?:

      On the other hand, when I respond to mindless hatred, I'm happy to just call the TDS for what it is, and move on. But you haven't even acknowledged there is such a thing as TDS. You'll claim that conversation is meaningless in that definitions are not agreed upon, while happily giggling at "Deranged Magat Syndrome" sufferers all day. Or sometimes "resident crazy uncle", or, in the past, as you've dismissed me, those who've fallen down the rabbit hole of mindless tribalism - a claim you made because of the gestalt of your impressions of my posts, rather than any details about specific opinions. Such details and specifics are now what you request of me, and my gestalt impression of TDS sufferers. I would say "fair enough", but it's really not. You have a knack for condescension and elitism, and again if you don't see that about yourself, you are one of the few.

      Actually Jon of late presents us with these trolley problems where we are supposed to see imaginary lives on one of the tracks. It’s a thought experiment within a thought experiment.

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      @loki said in Does he really believe it?:

      @horace said in Does he really believe it?:

      On the other hand, when I respond to mindless hatred, I'm happy to just call the TDS for what it is, and move on. But you haven't even acknowledged there is such a thing as TDS. You'll claim that conversation is meaningless in that definitions are not agreed upon, while happily giggling at "Deranged Magat Syndrome" sufferers all day. Or sometimes "resident crazy uncle", or, in the past, as you've dismissed me, those who've fallen down the rabbit hole of mindless tribalism - a claim you made because of the gestalt of your impressions of my posts, rather than any details about specific opinions. Such details and specifics are now what you request of me, and my gestalt impression of TDS sufferers. I would say "fair enough", but it's really not. You have a knack for condescension and elitism, and again if you don't see that about yourself, you are one of the few.

      Actually Jon of late presents us with these trolley problems where we are supposed to see imaginary lives on one of the tracks. It’s a thought experiment within a thought experiment.

      Imaginary Lives Matter.

      Education is extremely important.

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        I’ll just add. The Russia collusion stuff and impeachment was precipitated by the idiocy of Trump.

        Let’s remember that Sessions recused himself, Trump went on Lester Holt and said stupid shit and Rosenstein (not the NYT) appointed a special council.

        The Trump conversations to Ukraine were also idiotic

        Now - it didn’t really amount to much because it was all out of stupidity on Trump’s part and not villainous corruption. But it’s not like it was a figment of some people’s imagination.

        I’m saying this, because Trump’s actions now are not an analogue of what happened to him. They’re different and went over board in different ways. It’s a different thing though.

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          It's kind of early to be that drunk

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            It's kind of early to be that drunk

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            @copper said in Does he really believe it?:

            It's kind of early to be that drunk

            It's five o'clock somewhere...

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              Nope, anybody that rubbed their hands in glee at Russia! Russia! Russia, while knowing there was nothing to it, is nothing more than a partisan hack.

              In fact, they are worse than a partisan hack. These people have allowed hate for the individual to be placed ahead of the rule of law and what is best for the country. At this point, I would never trust them to do what is honorable or right, not if it meant furthering a political agenda...

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • JollyJ Jolly

                Nope, anybody that rubbed their hands in glee at Russia! Russia! Russia, while knowing there was nothing to it, is nothing more than a partisan hack.

                In fact, they are worse than a partisan hack. These people have allowed hate for the individual to be placed ahead of the rule of law and what is best for the country. At this point, I would never trust them to do what is honorable or right, not if it meant furthering a political agenda...

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                @jolly who is “they”? Rod Rosenstein?

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                  @jolly who is “they”? Rod Rosenstein?

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                  @xenon said in Does he really believe it?:

                  @jolly who is “they”? Rod Rosenstein?

                  That's a question for you to answer, isn't it?

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    @xenon said in Does he really believe it?:

                    @jolly who is “they”? Rod Rosenstein?

                    That's a question for you to answer, isn't it?

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                    @jolly not really.

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                    • HoraceH Horace

                      @jon-nyc said in Does he really believe it?:

                      But to actually believe your enemies just plain cheated you?

                      He watched the four year cultural blitzkrieg mounted against him, which was proof of motivation to do whatever it took to get rid of him. It's not such a far step from realizing the fact that you're competing with people who are motivated to cheat and would do so shamelessly, even righteously, to believing they did. Surely a psychological allergy to losing is at least something you can understand, jon.

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                      @horace said in Does he really believe it?:

                      @jon-nyc said in Does he really believe it?:

                      But to actually believe your enemies just plain cheated you?

                      He watched the four year cultural blitzkrieg mounted against him, which was proof of motivation to do whatever it took to get rid of him. It's not such a far step from realizing the fact that you're competing with people who are motivated to cheat and would do so shamelessly, even righteously, to believing they did. Surely a psychological allergy to losing is at least something you can understand, jon.

                      What was his excuse the first time he said there were 3-5 million fake votes in 2016?

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                        @horace said in Does he really believe it?:

                        @jon-nyc said in Does he really believe it?:

                        But to actually believe your enemies just plain cheated you?

                        He watched the four year cultural blitzkrieg mounted against him, which was proof of motivation to do whatever it took to get rid of him. It's not such a far step from realizing the fact that you're competing with people who are motivated to cheat and would do so shamelessly, even righteously, to believing they did. Surely a psychological allergy to losing is at least something you can understand, jon.

                        What was his excuse the first time he said there were 3-5 million fake votes in 2016?

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                        @xenon said in Does he really believe it?:

                        @horace said in Does he really believe it?:

                        @jon-nyc said in Does he really believe it?:

                        But to actually believe your enemies just plain cheated you?

                        He watched the four year cultural blitzkrieg mounted against him, which was proof of motivation to do whatever it took to get rid of him. It's not such a far step from realizing the fact that you're competing with people who are motivated to cheat and would do so shamelessly, even righteously, to believing they did. Surely a psychological allergy to losing is at least something you can understand, jon.

                        What was his excuse the first time he said there were 3-5 million fake votes in 2016?

                        Well I'm not particularly motivated to make excuses for what I've already admitted was a predictable thing he would do. But, the cultural warfare and the broad-scale TDS existed since the moment everybody started taking him seriously as a potential next president. So it predates whatever claim you're speaking of.

                        Education is extremely important.

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                        • HoraceH Horace

                          @xenon said in Does he really believe it?:

                          @horace said in Does he really believe it?:

                          @jon-nyc said in Does he really believe it?:

                          But to actually believe your enemies just plain cheated you?

                          He watched the four year cultural blitzkrieg mounted against him, which was proof of motivation to do whatever it took to get rid of him. It's not such a far step from realizing the fact that you're competing with people who are motivated to cheat and would do so shamelessly, even righteously, to believing they did. Surely a psychological allergy to losing is at least something you can understand, jon.

                          What was his excuse the first time he said there were 3-5 million fake votes in 2016?

                          Well I'm not particularly motivated to make excuses for what I've already admitted was a predictable thing he would do. But, the cultural warfare and the broad-scale TDS existed since the moment everybody started taking him seriously as a potential next president. So it predates whatever claim you're speaking of.

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                          @horace what specific blitzkrieg is Trump reacting to?

                          Yes - many people have often compromised their own values and previous political positions to just go against Trump. I think this is what “TDS” boils to.

                          But what specific assaults, beyond op-eds in WaPo and being shat on by celebrities, are you referring to that help contextualize his current behavior?

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                            @horace what specific blitzkrieg is Trump reacting to?

                            Yes - many people have often compromised their own values and previous political positions to just go against Trump. I think this is what “TDS” boils to.

                            But what specific assaults, beyond op-eds in WaPo and being shat on by celebrities, are you referring to that help contextualize his current behavior?

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                            @xenon said in Does he really believe it?:

                            @horace what specific blitzkrieg is Trump reacting to?

                            Yes - many people have often compromised their own values and previous political positions to just go against Trump. I think this is what “TDS” boils to.

                            But what specific assaults, beyond op-eds in WaPo and being shat on by celebrities, are you referring to that help contextualize his current behavior?

                            You want me to put into a few concise words the broad scale cultural warfare Trump has been the target of? You need to be convinced of that? Man, I lived through it. I could never have remained viable as a productive social element at my job if I'd have been as outspoken a Trump supporter as many of my colleagues (and bosses) were of being a Trump hater.

                            Again, an inability to accept losing is part of Trump's character, and is regrettable. But IMO it will prove ineffectual and he will go away, thus not establishing any worrisome precedent. I understand it looks petulant and whiny.

                            Education is extremely important.

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                            • HoraceH Horace

                              @xenon said in Does he really believe it?:

                              @horace what specific blitzkrieg is Trump reacting to?

                              Yes - many people have often compromised their own values and previous political positions to just go against Trump. I think this is what “TDS” boils to.

                              But what specific assaults, beyond op-eds in WaPo and being shat on by celebrities, are you referring to that help contextualize his current behavior?

                              You want me to put into a few concise words the broad scale cultural warfare Trump has been the target of? You need to be convinced of that? Man, I lived through it. I could never have remained viable as a productive social element at my job if I'd have been as outspoken a Trump supporter as many of my colleagues (and bosses) were of being a Trump hater.

                              Again, an inability to accept losing is part of Trump's character, and is regrettable. But IMO it will prove ineffectual and he will go away, thus not establishing any worrisome precedent. I understand it looks petulant and whiny.

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                              @horace said in Does he really believe it?:

                              @xenon said in Does he really believe it?:

                              @horace what specific blitzkrieg is Trump reacting to?

                              Yes - many people have often compromised their own values and previous political positions to just go against Trump. I think this is what “TDS” boils to.

                              But what specific assaults, beyond op-eds in WaPo and being shat on by celebrities, are you referring to that help contextualize his current behavior?

                              You want me to put into a few concise words the broad scale cultural warfare Trump has been the target of? You need to be convinced of that? Man, I lived through it. I could never have remained viable as a productive social element at my job if I'd have been as outspoken a Trump supporter as many of my colleagues (and bosses) were of being a Trump hater.

                              Again, an inability to accept losing is part of Trump's character, and is regrettable. But IMO it will prove ineffectual and he will go away, thus not establishing any worrisome precedent. I understand it looks petulant and whiny.

                              Right, but - you fail to ascribe any of the “cultural blowback” to Trump. You complain that people have been throwing feces at him - in an unprecedented manner (maybe true). But you fail to mention he’s had his dick out spraying them in the face with piss.

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                              • JollyJ Jolly

                                Nope, anybody that rubbed their hands in glee at Russia! Russia! Russia, while knowing there was nothing to it, is nothing more than a partisan hack.

                                In fact, they are worse than a partisan hack. These people have allowed hate for the individual to be placed ahead of the rule of law and what is best for the country. At this point, I would never trust them to do what is honorable or right, not if it meant furthering a political agenda...

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                                @jolly said in Does he really believe it?:

                                Nope, anybody that rubbed their hands in glee at Russia! Russia! Russia, while knowing there was nothing to it, is nothing more than a partisan hack.

                                In fact, they are worse than a partisan hack. These people have allowed hate for the individual to be placed ahead of the rule of law and what is best for the country. At this point, I would never trust them to do what is honorable or right, not if it meant furthering a political agenda...

                                Russia Russia Russia was Hillary’s playbook from the beginning. Some hack was hired to write a fake dossier and that became the overriding obsession for this country for four years. And now suddenly our country is threatened. Jesus.

                                But China, nothing to see here.

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                                  @horace said in Does he really believe it?:

                                  @xenon said in Does he really believe it?:

                                  @horace what specific blitzkrieg is Trump reacting to?

                                  Yes - many people have often compromised their own values and previous political positions to just go against Trump. I think this is what “TDS” boils to.

                                  But what specific assaults, beyond op-eds in WaPo and being shat on by celebrities, are you referring to that help contextualize his current behavior?

                                  You want me to put into a few concise words the broad scale cultural warfare Trump has been the target of? You need to be convinced of that? Man, I lived through it. I could never have remained viable as a productive social element at my job if I'd have been as outspoken a Trump supporter as many of my colleagues (and bosses) were of being a Trump hater.

                                  Again, an inability to accept losing is part of Trump's character, and is regrettable. But IMO it will prove ineffectual and he will go away, thus not establishing any worrisome precedent. I understand it looks petulant and whiny.

                                  Right, but - you fail to ascribe any of the “cultural blowback” to Trump. You complain that people have been throwing feces at him - in an unprecedented manner (maybe true). But you fail to mention he’s had his dick out spraying them in the face with piss.

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                                  @xenon said in Does he really believe it?:

                                  @horace said in Does he really believe it?:

                                  @xenon said in Does he really believe it?:

                                  @horace what specific blitzkrieg is Trump reacting to?

                                  Yes - many people have often compromised their own values and previous political positions to just go against Trump. I think this is what “TDS” boils to.

                                  But what specific assaults, beyond op-eds in WaPo and being shat on by celebrities, are you referring to that help contextualize his current behavior?

                                  You want me to put into a few concise words the broad scale cultural warfare Trump has been the target of? You need to be convinced of that? Man, I lived through it. I could never have remained viable as a productive social element at my job if I'd have been as outspoken a Trump supporter as many of my colleagues (and bosses) were of being a Trump hater.

                                  Again, an inability to accept losing is part of Trump's character, and is regrettable. But IMO it will prove ineffectual and he will go away, thus not establishing any worrisome precedent. I understand it looks petulant and whiny.

                                  Right, but - you fail to ascribe any of the “cultural blowback” to Trump. You complain that people have been throwing feces at him - in an unprecedented manner (maybe true). But you fail to mention he’s had his dick out spraying them in the face with piss.

                                  I happen to agree with his most contentious platform which made him win - the righteous politically correct bias of our media sources and the divergence from reality they propagated. So he pissed on all of that, and the blowback by the cultural power structure was what it could be expected to be.

                                  Education is extremely important.

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                                  • HoraceH Horace

                                    @xenon said in Does he really believe it?:

                                    @horace said in Does he really believe it?:

                                    @xenon said in Does he really believe it?:

                                    @horace what specific blitzkrieg is Trump reacting to?

                                    Yes - many people have often compromised their own values and previous political positions to just go against Trump. I think this is what “TDS” boils to.

                                    But what specific assaults, beyond op-eds in WaPo and being shat on by celebrities, are you referring to that help contextualize his current behavior?

                                    You want me to put into a few concise words the broad scale cultural warfare Trump has been the target of? You need to be convinced of that? Man, I lived through it. I could never have remained viable as a productive social element at my job if I'd have been as outspoken a Trump supporter as many of my colleagues (and bosses) were of being a Trump hater.

                                    Again, an inability to accept losing is part of Trump's character, and is regrettable. But IMO it will prove ineffectual and he will go away, thus not establishing any worrisome precedent. I understand it looks petulant and whiny.

                                    Right, but - you fail to ascribe any of the “cultural blowback” to Trump. You complain that people have been throwing feces at him - in an unprecedented manner (maybe true). But you fail to mention he’s had his dick out spraying them in the face with piss.

                                    I happen to agree with his most contentious platform which made him win - the righteous politically correct bias of our media sources and the divergence from reality they propagated. So he pissed on all of that, and the blowback by the cultural power structure was what it could be expected to be.

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                                    @horace said in Does he really believe it?:

                                    @xenon said in Does he really believe it?:

                                    @horace said in Does he really believe it?:

                                    @xenon said in Does he really believe it?:

                                    @horace what specific blitzkrieg is Trump reacting to?

                                    Yes - many people have often compromised their own values and previous political positions to just go against Trump. I think this is what “TDS” boils to.

                                    But what specific assaults, beyond op-eds in WaPo and being shat on by celebrities, are you referring to that help contextualize his current behavior?

                                    You want me to put into a few concise words the broad scale cultural warfare Trump has been the target of? You need to be convinced of that? Man, I lived through it. I could never have remained viable as a productive social element at my job if I'd have been as outspoken a Trump supporter as many of my colleagues (and bosses) were of being a Trump hater.

                                    Again, an inability to accept losing is part of Trump's character, and is regrettable. But IMO it will prove ineffectual and he will go away, thus not establishing any worrisome precedent. I understand it looks petulant and whiny.

                                    Right, but - you fail to ascribe any of the “cultural blowback” to Trump. You complain that people have been throwing feces at him - in an unprecedented manner (maybe true). But you fail to mention he’s had his dick out spraying them in the face with piss.

                                    I happen to agree with his most contentious platform which made him win - the righteous politically correct bias of our media sources and the divergence from reality they propagated. So he pissed on all of that, and the blowback by the cultural power structure was what it could be expected to be.

                                    You can be against wokeism and not be Trump.

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                                      @horace said in Does he really believe it?:

                                      @xenon said in Does he really believe it?:

                                      @horace said in Does he really believe it?:

                                      @xenon said in Does he really believe it?:

                                      @horace what specific blitzkrieg is Trump reacting to?

                                      Yes - many people have often compromised their own values and previous political positions to just go against Trump. I think this is what “TDS” boils to.

                                      But what specific assaults, beyond op-eds in WaPo and being shat on by celebrities, are you referring to that help contextualize his current behavior?

                                      You want me to put into a few concise words the broad scale cultural warfare Trump has been the target of? You need to be convinced of that? Man, I lived through it. I could never have remained viable as a productive social element at my job if I'd have been as outspoken a Trump supporter as many of my colleagues (and bosses) were of being a Trump hater.

                                      Again, an inability to accept losing is part of Trump's character, and is regrettable. But IMO it will prove ineffectual and he will go away, thus not establishing any worrisome precedent. I understand it looks petulant and whiny.

                                      Right, but - you fail to ascribe any of the “cultural blowback” to Trump. You complain that people have been throwing feces at him - in an unprecedented manner (maybe true). But you fail to mention he’s had his dick out spraying them in the face with piss.

                                      I happen to agree with his most contentious platform which made him win - the righteous politically correct bias of our media sources and the divergence from reality they propagated. So he pissed on all of that, and the blowback by the cultural power structure was what it could be expected to be.

                                      You can be against wokeism and not be Trump.

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                                      @xenon said in Does he really believe it?:

                                      @horace said in Does he really believe it?:

                                      @xenon said in Does he really believe it?:

                                      @horace said in Does he really believe it?:

                                      @xenon said in Does he really believe it?:

                                      @horace what specific blitzkrieg is Trump reacting to?

                                      Yes - many people have often compromised their own values and previous political positions to just go against Trump. I think this is what “TDS” boils to.

                                      But what specific assaults, beyond op-eds in WaPo and being shat on by celebrities, are you referring to that help contextualize his current behavior?

                                      You want me to put into a few concise words the broad scale cultural warfare Trump has been the target of? You need to be convinced of that? Man, I lived through it. I could never have remained viable as a productive social element at my job if I'd have been as outspoken a Trump supporter as many of my colleagues (and bosses) were of being a Trump hater.

                                      Again, an inability to accept losing is part of Trump's character, and is regrettable. But IMO it will prove ineffectual and he will go away, thus not establishing any worrisome precedent. I understand it looks petulant and whiny.

                                      Right, but - you fail to ascribe any of the “cultural blowback” to Trump. You complain that people have been throwing feces at him - in an unprecedented manner (maybe true). But you fail to mention he’s had his dick out spraying them in the face with piss.

                                      I happen to agree with his most contentious platform which made him win - the righteous politically correct bias of our media sources and the divergence from reality they propagated. So he pissed on all of that, and the blowback by the cultural power structure was what it could be expected to be.

                                      You can be against wokeism and not be Trump.

                                      But Trump was the politician we were presented with a choice for.

                                      Education is extremely important.

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                                        @xenon said in Does he really believe it?:

                                        @horace said in Does he really believe it?:

                                        @xenon said in Does he really believe it?:

                                        @horace said in Does he really believe it?:

                                        @xenon said in Does he really believe it?:

                                        @horace what specific blitzkrieg is Trump reacting to?

                                        Yes - many people have often compromised their own values and previous political positions to just go against Trump. I think this is what “TDS” boils to.

                                        But what specific assaults, beyond op-eds in WaPo and being shat on by celebrities, are you referring to that help contextualize his current behavior?

                                        You want me to put into a few concise words the broad scale cultural warfare Trump has been the target of? You need to be convinced of that? Man, I lived through it. I could never have remained viable as a productive social element at my job if I'd have been as outspoken a Trump supporter as many of my colleagues (and bosses) were of being a Trump hater.

                                        Again, an inability to accept losing is part of Trump's character, and is regrettable. But IMO it will prove ineffectual and he will go away, thus not establishing any worrisome precedent. I understand it looks petulant and whiny.

                                        Right, but - you fail to ascribe any of the “cultural blowback” to Trump. You complain that people have been throwing feces at him - in an unprecedented manner (maybe true). But you fail to mention he’s had his dick out spraying them in the face with piss.

                                        I happen to agree with his most contentious platform which made him win - the righteous politically correct bias of our media sources and the divergence from reality they propagated. So he pissed on all of that, and the blowback by the cultural power structure was what it could be expected to be.

                                        You can be against wokeism and not be Trump.

                                        But Trump was the politician we were presented with a choice for.

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                                        @horace said in Does he really believe it?:

                                        @xenon said in Does he really believe it?:

                                        @horace said in Does he really believe it?:

                                        @xenon said in Does he really believe it?:

                                        @horace said in Does he really believe it?:

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                                        @horace what specific blitzkrieg is Trump reacting to?

                                        Yes - many people have often compromised their own values and previous political positions to just go against Trump. I think this is what “TDS” boils to.

                                        But what specific assaults, beyond op-eds in WaPo and being shat on by celebrities, are you referring to that help contextualize his current behavior?

                                        You want me to put into a few concise words the broad scale cultural warfare Trump has been the target of? You need to be convinced of that? Man, I lived through it. I could never have remained viable as a productive social element at my job if I'd have been as outspoken a Trump supporter as many of my colleagues (and bosses) were of being a Trump hater.

                                        Again, an inability to accept losing is part of Trump's character, and is regrettable. But IMO it will prove ineffectual and he will go away, thus not establishing any worrisome precedent. I understand it looks petulant and whiny.

                                        Right, but - you fail to ascribe any of the “cultural blowback” to Trump. You complain that people have been throwing feces at him - in an unprecedented manner (maybe true). But you fail to mention he’s had his dick out spraying them in the face with piss.

                                        I happen to agree with his most contentious platform which made him win - the righteous politically correct bias of our media sources and the divergence from reality they propagated. So he pissed on all of that, and the blowback by the cultural power structure was what it could be expected to be.

                                        You can be against wokeism and not be Trump.

                                        But Trump was the politician we were presented with a choice for.

                                        You can reasonably vote for him, be aligned with his policies and still call him a piece of shit when he’s being a piece of shit.

                                        I don’t think anything justifies his fucked up behavior after the election. Doesn’t matter that I agree on certain policy or cultural issues with him.

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                                          @horace said in Does he really believe it?:

                                          @xenon said in Does he really believe it?:

                                          @horace said in Does he really believe it?:

                                          @xenon said in Does he really believe it?:

                                          @horace said in Does he really believe it?:

                                          @xenon said in Does he really believe it?:

                                          @horace what specific blitzkrieg is Trump reacting to?

                                          Yes - many people have often compromised their own values and previous political positions to just go against Trump. I think this is what “TDS” boils to.

                                          But what specific assaults, beyond op-eds in WaPo and being shat on by celebrities, are you referring to that help contextualize his current behavior?

                                          You want me to put into a few concise words the broad scale cultural warfare Trump has been the target of? You need to be convinced of that? Man, I lived through it. I could never have remained viable as a productive social element at my job if I'd have been as outspoken a Trump supporter as many of my colleagues (and bosses) were of being a Trump hater.

                                          Again, an inability to accept losing is part of Trump's character, and is regrettable. But IMO it will prove ineffectual and he will go away, thus not establishing any worrisome precedent. I understand it looks petulant and whiny.

                                          Right, but - you fail to ascribe any of the “cultural blowback” to Trump. You complain that people have been throwing feces at him - in an unprecedented manner (maybe true). But you fail to mention he’s had his dick out spraying them in the face with piss.

                                          I happen to agree with his most contentious platform which made him win - the righteous politically correct bias of our media sources and the divergence from reality they propagated. So he pissed on all of that, and the blowback by the cultural power structure was what it could be expected to be.

                                          You can be against wokeism and not be Trump.

                                          But Trump was the politician we were presented with a choice for.

                                          You can reasonably vote for him, be aligned with his policies and still call him a piece of shit when he’s being a piece of shit.

                                          I don’t think anything justifies his fucked up behavior after the election. Doesn’t matter that I agree on certain policy or cultural issues with him.

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                                          @xenon said in Does he really believe it?:

                                          @horace said in Does he really believe it?:

                                          @xenon said in Does he really believe it?:

                                          @horace said in Does he really believe it?:

                                          @xenon said in Does he really believe it?:

                                          @horace said in Does he really believe it?:

                                          @xenon said in Does he really believe it?:

                                          @horace what specific blitzkrieg is Trump reacting to?

                                          Yes - many people have often compromised their own values and previous political positions to just go against Trump. I think this is what “TDS” boils to.

                                          But what specific assaults, beyond op-eds in WaPo and being shat on by celebrities, are you referring to that help contextualize his current behavior?

                                          You want me to put into a few concise words the broad scale cultural warfare Trump has been the target of? You need to be convinced of that? Man, I lived through it. I could never have remained viable as a productive social element at my job if I'd have been as outspoken a Trump supporter as many of my colleagues (and bosses) were of being a Trump hater.

                                          Again, an inability to accept losing is part of Trump's character, and is regrettable. But IMO it will prove ineffectual and he will go away, thus not establishing any worrisome precedent. I understand it looks petulant and whiny.

                                          Right, but - you fail to ascribe any of the “cultural blowback” to Trump. You complain that people have been throwing feces at him - in an unprecedented manner (maybe true). But you fail to mention he’s had his dick out spraying them in the face with piss.

                                          I happen to agree with his most contentious platform which made him win - the righteous politically correct bias of our media sources and the divergence from reality they propagated. So he pissed on all of that, and the blowback by the cultural power structure was what it could be expected to be.

                                          You can be against wokeism and not be Trump.

                                          But Trump was the politician we were presented with a choice for.

                                          You can reasonably vote for him, be aligned with his policies and still call him a piece of shit when he’s being a piece of shit.

                                          I don’t think anything justifies his fucked up behavior after the election. Doesn’t matter that I agree on certain policy or cultural issues with him.

                                          I call it regrettable. It certainly plays to his haters. I do believe it will be a nothing burger, playing to his detriment in time if not already. I don't feel like calling him a piece of shit, sorry.

                                          Education is extremely important.

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